Elizabeth Murray birth certificate decipher - help please - COMPLETE - thanks

[PrueM]

Thanks.

I'll go along with 'natural' and 'Alexander'.  I also thought 'Lewis'!

I am having difficulty finding a place called Arnydykes (or any variation that I can think of).

Stuart

Yes, I typed in "Armydykes" and got some rather 'interesting' hits 

There is a place called Dyke just west of Forres...

[flst]

Looking at an old map of the area I came across a place near Bishopmill called Ardgye. Could this be what we're looking for?
flst

[stuartroxy]

Prue,

I did the same -  

I have Elizabeth on the 1871 census - it definately give birthplace as Duffus; I can only think that 'Arnydykes' is a farm (or the likes).

Interestingly enough (in my opinion anyway ) on the BBC1 programme 'Who Do You Think You Are?' featuring Fiona Bruce - her family hail from Hopeman - it was mentioned that the village of Hopeman was founded in 1805 when a local landlord (Young IIRC) moved his tenants to the coast: perhaps the residents of Arnydykes became some of the first residents of Hopeman?

I will try to visit the (former) East End Primary School when they open again for the summer to check the local documentation.

Stuart

[MonicaL]

Hi All 

The IGI entry has Elizabeth indexed as:

ELIZABETH MURRAY OR JEANS  Christening: 08 OCT 1803  Duffus in Moray
Parents:JOHN MURRAY and MARGARET JEANS

My understanding of records of this time is that when the word 'natural daughter' is used, it normally means that the birth was illegitimate.

Monica

[stuartroxy]

Monica,

Thanks,

I did suspect that.  The wording is markedly different from the previous entries and the IGI index - SP is the same.  Not the first that I've found

Still struggling with 'Armydykes' and why Elizabeth would get married in Golspie - unless it is a different Elizabeth and John Slorach.

Stuart

[MonicaL]

Ahh...that Elizabeth Murray!

I couldn't easily find them before in the early censuses. Just found them on the 1851 census transcribed as Flora:

John Flora 47, rug weaver, b. Forres
Eliza Flora 42, merchant, b. Duffus
John Flora 21, tailor, b. Ray, Caithness
James Flora 16. lax Dresser, b. Forres, Morayshire
William Flora 12, Gardner (app), b. Forres, Morayshire 
Jessie E M Flora 13, wool spinner, b. Forres, Morayshire
Mary Ann Flora 3, b Old Machar, Aberdeen
Charles S Flora 1, b Old Machar, Aberdeen 

Address: 41 Spittal, Old Marchar

With that birth for son John in Caithness, the marriage in Golspie could well be the correct one.

Found them also under Flora for 1841 - not sure if first three entries are another household that has been transcribed together with the Sloras (freecen have it separate). All the Sloras born outside the county:

Willm Deans 65, weaver
Mary Deans 60
Alexr Ingram 14
John Flora 35, wood sawyer
Eliza Flora 30
John Flora 12
James Flora 7
Mary Flora 5
Willm Flora 2

Address: Spittal, Old Marchar

Did you find Elizabeth Murray/Slora's death cert? Was there nothing there on her parents?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Some of their children's IGI entries:

1. JOHN STORACH  Christening: 16 MAY 1829 Reay, Caithness
2. MARGARET SLORACH Birth: 29 JAN 1831/ Christening: 12 FEB 1831 Rafford, Moray
3. JAMES SLORACH Birth: 09 MAR 1834/ Christening: 30 MAR 1834 Forres, Moray
4. MARY ANN SLORACH Birth: 02 MAY 1836/ Christening: 22 MAY 1836 Forres, Moray, Scotland
5. WILLIAM SLORACH Birth: 11 MAR 1839/ Christening: 24 MAY 1839 Forres, Moray

Monica

[stuartroxy]

Monica,

Thanks again.  I'll check up on Elizabeth's DC and let you know.

Stuart

[MonicaL]

A little bit here on John and Elizabeth:

Children of John Slorach, Sawyer, and Elizabeth Murray:
14 James baptised 9 March 1834
15 Mary Ann “ 2 May 1836
16 William “ 11 March 1839
(Witnesses, William Murray, Baker in Forres.)

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.slorach/7.3/mb.ashx

Monica