NEWBERRY/ANSELL etc Arlesey

[alunno-a]

started new thread (hopefully) with this

I have a general confusion with the Newberry family from Arlesey. My 3x great grandmother was a Mary Newberry b c 1795 Arlesey, married Thomas Blackabey 14 Feb 1825 at studham. I know she had a sister, Hannah, who married Henry Martyr at Lambeth 11 May 1823. From IGI, I "got" these sisters to be children of David Newberry and Elizabeth Ward married at Norton, and David being son of Joseph Newberry and Arabella Ansell of Arlesey. But I am not sure if I have got this right, and would really appreciate comment by greater minds than mine!!! I am confused by the "Newberry or Monk" which creeps in , can anyone shed light on this??
I have come across this ancestry (minus my Mary and Hannah) on a few trees around the place and they are obviously great work by an expert.....are they your's David???  If so, does my Mary fit in or should I be looking elsewhere??

Sally.

[bedfordshire boy]

I agree with Mary Newberry, born 6 Feb 1795, baptised 9 Mar 1803, daughter of David and Elizabeth. She was baptised as part of a job lot of four Newberrys, and appears in censuses as born Arlesey with the right age. Does the marriage entry at Studham say "Mary of Arlesey? Not that I'd be too worried if it doesn't, given the census evidence. It begs the question as to what happened to their daughter Mary baptised 7 Sept 1785, as I can't find a burial; nor can I see what they were doing between 1790 when their son John was baptised and 1795 when Mary was born. But Hannah's birth is given as 8 March 1798, whereas she's shown in 1841 as aged 36, and as she appears to have died before 1851 there's no second bite at the cherry. How have you established that Hannah Martyr was the sister of Mary?

I'm assuming that it was this David who was buried in Arlesey on 12 Nov 1816 aged 59. Which gives a birth year of c1757, tying up neatly with the baptism in 1757 of David Monk or Newbery, son of Joseph and Arabella, who also baptised Mary Monk or Newbery in 1750 and Joseph Newberry alias Monk in 1736.

These are the first Monks or Newberrys in Arlesey and there's no extra detail in the 1733 Ickleford marriage. I'm still looking at possibilities, and where the Monk may have come from.

I don't take much notice of other peoples' trees, other than to get ideas. Look at the six on Ancestry - all have a Sarah born 1827 at Arlesey, daughter of Joseph and Arabella. There's no such baptism at Arlesey, and according to the birth dates Joseph and Arabella would both have been 13 at the time, 6 years before their marriage. It looks as though they've all copied each other!

I think your line looks right, my only query being what happened to Mary baptised 1785.

I'll get back to you on the Monk aspect

David

[alunno-a]

Wow Thank-you David!
That has given me a few things to go back on in my tree.
I am sure of my Mary Newberry being sister of Hannah, as, after the deaths of Henry and Hannah Martyr, Mary and husband Thomas Blackabey have her nephew William Martyr living with them at The Red Lion, Markyate. And her neice, Ann Martha, as a visitor in 1871 census. ( the other Martyr children seem to disappear--not a lucky family maybe).
Sally

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Sally

The census information ties it up pretty conclusively that Hannah and Mary were sisters - I hadn't looked at later censuses. Hannah seems to have been economical with the truth when she gave her age in 1841! Didn't want her husband to know she was older than he was perhaps? Perhaps not though - there's a Hannah Marter age 47 buried in 1846 in Wrecclesham, Surrey, so someone knew her real age and told the vicar when she was buried.

I've been looking at the BLARS site and A2A but have come up with no references to the Newberry/Monk names that are relevant. It often indicated that there was bastardy involved, but I can't see anything obvious.

David

[alunno-a]

Thank-you for your comments on the Newberry trees on Ancestry!!  I have just had a good look at them, and mine, and you are right, they make little sense, worse, I seem to have been guilty of this original sin and copied a few "facts" into mine!-- now removed. (The IGI seems to be as bad.)
I was puzzled by the age of Hannah Martyr too, assumed it was a transcription error. I have Henry's will, he was a Chandler/merchant on the Old Kent Rd., (ish) and obviously didnt expect his wife to follow him so quickly to the grave. I have her death 1847 Camberwell- but have not noted where I found it. I shall now go and look for it.

If you do manage to fathom the Monk connection I'd be grateful for your thoughts- thank-you again!
Sally

[bedfordshire boy]

There was a Hannah Martyr died Sept quarter 1847 at Camberwell, on FreeBMD, which seems more likely than the one whose burial I found in 1846

Internet trees, member submissions on the IGI are all suspect until proved otherwise!

David

[alunno-a]

Yes to both!
Just found my notes on Hannah,.... and Henry died 1841. There doesn't seem to be any others in Camberwell- I am trying to check what happened to the Martyr children who don't appear with my Blackabeys. Someone contacted me a very long time ago suggesting one or more of them went to America in the 1840s- but I wasn't able to find anything.
Sally

[bedfordshire boy]

Perhaps they were martyred