Jeremiah MacKay COMPLETED

[sheena58]

I would guess that she was born out of wedlock to Jerry and Nellie as she has the surname of MacKay. I doubt Jerry had much chance to have another wife and child, lose the wife and marry a new one between February and August, but I suppose it's possible. I am also wondering whether she also had alternative names to Kathleen? Ciatlin, Catherine, Catrin, Katrina... might explain why her birth can't be found. I would imagine the child who died in 1915 was actually called Elizabeth but recorded as Lizzie on death record. They were very casual about names back then it seems!

[Jacquie in Canada]

Edited to remove incorrect information about 1908 passenger list to avoid confusion.

Jacquie

[sheena58]

That info does seem to contradict the census details. Firstly the census says that John McCann came to Canada in 1902 ans the rest of the family in 1904? (which begs the question who does the youngest child belong to as she was not born in Canada). Secondly The McCanns are, acording to the census Irish, not Scottish! Nothing like muddying the waters.
Looking at the passenger list it looks as if Nellie is only 19? The marriage says she's 27 which ties in with her being 29 in the census so maybe this is a different McCann family? Have the birth records for the other children turned up? I thought it was only the deaths, although that would be one and the same for the little boy.

[Jacquie in Canada]

Ontario birth records after 1909 are protected by privacy laws.

The 1908 passenger list is for a different McCann family. I found the marriage registration for Louis John McCann to Catherine Greenshields and his parents were John McCann and Ann McKay.

However, Kathleen's parentage does still have to be questioned since she would have been conceived approximately 15 months before Jerry and Nellie were married.

The 1911 death registration does says Nellie was born in Scotland and it is definitely the same family on the census as the addresses match on both the death registration and the census (86 Caroline Street). As you will see from the information below, I found that John and Ellen were born in Ireland but their children in Scotland so likely the enumerator assumed a birth place of Ireland for the whole family.

According to her birth registration, Martha McCann was born 18 Feb 1904 in Paisley, Renfrewshire to John McCann and Ellen McCafferty. John and Ellen were married 10 Sep 1878 in Paisley. James McCann was born 3 Apr 1900 in Paisley. The address on both birth registrations is 28 Newton Street, Paisley.

I looked for a McCann family on the 1901 Scotland census and found the following one living at 28 Newton Street, Paisley:

John McCann, head, 45, Ireland, general labourer 
Ellen McCann, wife, 41, Ireland
Mary McCann, daughter, 21, Paisley, laundress 
Susan McCann, daughter, 20, Paisley, cotton millworker
Ellen McCann, daughter, 19, Paisley, cotton millworker
Catherine McCann, daughter, 17, Paisley, cotton millworker 
Alice McCann, daughter, 15, Paisley, cotton millworker 
Margaret McCann, daughter, 14, Paisley, cotton millworker 
John McCann, son, 11, Paisley 
Annie McCann, daughter, 9, Paisley 
William McCann, son, 7, Paisley 
Elizabeth McCann, daughter, 6, Paisley 
Marion McCann, daughter, 4, Paisley 
James McCann, son, 1, Paisley 

I have found a passenger list entry for John McCann and his daughter Catherine arriving in Montreal on 10 Jun 1903 aboard the Corinthian so the timeline fits for Ellen becoming pregnant just before John went abroad. Here's a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada (near the bottom of the page):
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e147/e003653937.jpg

I can't find an entry for when the rest of the family joined them.

Jacquie

[sheena58]

Right, I have searched on Scotlands People and they are definitely Scottish!
Ellen McCann born 29th April 1882, Paisley. (near Glasgow, My father lived in Paisley Rd West, Galsgow) Parents Jonh McCann amd Ellen McCann M.S. McCaffrey. Parents marriage, 9th August 1878, Paisley.
I am guessing the part that says they are all Roman Catholics might be wrong too? I was quite surprised to see Jeremiah recorded as R.C. as the family were all Protestants.
The UK census is also notorious for inaccurate information and I did note that Jeremiah was supposedly born in September 1881 when he was actually born 29th August 1880.
I suppose the birth of Kathleen could be wrong? It wouldn't need to be far out to make her Jerry's daughter although still illegitimate.
I did notice they were returning Canadians, I was just thrown by her age appearing to be recorded as 19 on the passenger list.  If they'd known each other before then I guess she could have been concieved as soon as Nellie got back. I suppose if Kathleen's birth is way out then it might explain why she can't be found in the records?

[sheena58]

Ha ha, I see we have another discepancy in the official records for the date of her parents' marriage!

[Jacquie in Canada]

I think I edited my previous post after your last posts. I thought you were offline so I added and changed things instead of making a new post.

Jacquie

[Jacquie in Canada]

Ha ha, I see we have another discepancy in the official records for the date of her parents' marriage!

According to their marriage registration, 10 Sep 1878 is the correct date.

Jacquie

[sheena58]

I took mine from Ellen's birth record so her father obviously mis-reported it.
It seems ironic that her parents had at least 13 children given her own track record.