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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 12 March 20 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I made a typo with Grace Dorothy Levi's date of birth. It should be 1837.

I think the Mary born 1839 on the Wikitree is incorrect as the only one I can find is in Pontefract born September quarter 1839 with the mother's maiden name not recorded.
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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 12 March 20 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Genie24! I found a bit more information on GRO about the following Levi people:
Levi, Grace Dorothy b Dec Q 1837 NewCastle (Mother: Spoors) died Dec Q 1837 NewCastle
Levi, Alexander, b Dec 1838 NewCastle died June Q 1839 (Mother: Atkinson)
Levi, Grace Humphrey b Mar Qtr 1843 Sunderland (Mother: Atkinson) died March Q 1843 Sunderland
Apologies if you already had this information.
Also, freecen in 1871 shows Thomas Levy and his wife, Sarah McLeod and children living in Southwick parish i Sunderland. Interestingly, Thomas' Father, John, widower, is living with them; that record states he was born in Sunderland. John must have moved out because a few years later he died in NewCastle.
I hope that some of this information is of benefit to you. If anyone desires any further information on Ann Spoors ancestry, I would be pleased to assist. Sincerely, patrexjaxi 
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #20 on: Friday 13 March 20 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again. My husband's cousin and I have a lot of detailed information between us for this family including that which  you have found with certificates to evidence that information. We have Ancestry trees which show this.

I have emailes  her to say I have made contact with someone who has information for the Spoors line. This will be of great interest to her. I am waiting for  a reply.

A previous post, mentioned the theory that Alexander Levi was born in Russia but strangely, neither my husband or his newly found cousin have any Russian in their DNA Ethnicity report.
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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #21 on: Friday 13 March 20 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello Genie24! Good to hear from you once more. Yes, that is peculiar that no Russian DNA is showing up on those tests.  I wonder if you found Alexander's marriage to Grace Humphrey AND if there are any possible notations on that record regarding his ancestry or origins? Also, just thinking out loud....does he have a headstone with any possible decorations engraved which lead to his ancestry?  Just curious WHERE the Russian bit came from.... Another question: do you know the source of the middle name of "Munro" in your tree???. By all means, I would be delighted to share any and all SPOOR(s) information I have.  ;D Most sincerely,  patrexjax
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL


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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #22 on: Friday 13 March 20 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I found the marriage on England, Select Marriages 1538-1975 23rd April 1809 Bishopwearmouth but have not seen the original image of the record.

I have a death (but not 100% confirmed) April-June quarter 1839 Newcastle but no burial but as you say, a memorial inscription would be very useful.

The Munro middle name is confirmed by Alexander's burial record on England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 and backs up the birth of Alexander that a lot of people have in Inverness, Scotland, not Russia. I have a baptism 3rd December 1783 of an Alexander Livi (Levi) on Scotland,  Select Births and Baptisms 1564-1950. Father Angelo Livi and mother Elizabeth Munro. The baptism record does not have the middle name but the burial record does spelt Munroe.

The Russian theory came from an old Rootschat post where the person posting stated that her husband had evidence in the attic to prove that Alexander was born in Russia. I did send her a private message about that but didn't get a reply.

When I have searched for Angelo Livi, a whole list comes up which doesn't help and some records for Di Livi which sounds Italian to me. A whole new research project!
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Re: 1841 and 51 census Gateshead please
« Reply #23 on: Friday 13 March 20 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello Genie24! Thank you for your patience and understanding in explaining things to me.  (I don't have access to Ancestry trees, hence my questions.)  I am wondering if some wonderful Rootschatter may have access to the Bishopwearmouth marriage and could kindly tell us what information is there....   Also, perhaps there is a newspaper obituary in 1839 for that death; another thought is an obit for that possible death in 1825 or so... again, Rootschatters have a phenomenal ability to ferret out information!  It would seem that the Scottish record could possibly have additional information. I wish I could provide some more help to you; the only thing I can come up with is the Spoors/Levi(y) link in bottle making.  I have looked in business directories for any Levi owners of such a company, but couldn't seem to find any.  :'(  Sincerely, patrexjax
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL