AITKEN family, River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire

[carol8353]

Danchaslyn

I will PM you later with more info-in middle of cooking dinner for family coming soon 

The ages all tally David,from the first ships list you see them on-1932 and John is listed as John Ellis Aitken -a banker.

I know John's are often referred to as Jack,but James is odd I do agree!

When I have time I will list them all chronoligically(sp?)they give an address of Selsdon Surrey at one stage.

Oops off to sort the dinner out.

Carol

[bedfordshire boy]

Sorry Carol, I don't agree that ages tally. John was born c1896 according to passenger lists; James was younger - b 1902/3 and had a different occupation. That they were two families seems to be confirmed by both families returning to England in early 1936, with there being an age difference of 7 years between John and James

May 1931 from Calcutta to Lanarkshire
James 29 Shipping clerk
Norah Evelyn 26

1932 from Bombay
John Ellis 36 Banker
Norah 32
Robert 7
Elizabeth 1 ˝

Feb 1936 from Bombay to St Ives
John Ellis 40 Banker
Norah 36
Elizabeth 5

May 1936 from Bombay to Hoddesden Herts
James 33 clerk
Norah E 31
Elizabeth 4

May 1938 to River View, St Ives from Bombay
Norah 38
Eliz 7

Nov 1847 Selsdon Surrey
James 45 Gov’t official
Norah 43
Eliz 15
Dau 10

Jun 1953 Lanarkshire, Scotland from Calcutta
James, Norah, Elizabeth.  Inland water transport

The May 1938 arrival of Norah and Elizabeth ties up with the information that they returned to the UK in the late 1930's although I can't find when John returned

David

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hi Bedfordshireboy    ......... David

Thanks again for your help.  Firstly, to clear up about posting in Huntingdonshire!  This family of Aitkens, is large and far flung around the globe, very difficult to trace, as I mentioned previously, I'm having to search in Scotland, England, St Helena, South Africa, India, USA and Canada.

Both John Ellis Aitken, b. India, 1896 and his sister, Marjory Grace, b.1898, India, I assume in Bombay, as that is where my Gt Uncle Robert Aitken, was a Banker.  For generations these Aitkens were all living around the Edinburgh area of Scotland, until the late 19C and they took off around the world.   

Suddenly, 1901 Scottish Census has John Ellis Aitken and his sister, Marjory Grace, left India, and living in Scotland, with their Grandparents, John & Grace Aitken and their daughter, Elizabeth, in West Linton.   

John Ellis Aitken, when he grew up, also became a Banker in India, again, I assume, in Bombay, with his father, Robert?  I think, the Norah he married, was Norah Jean Kiddle of St Ives, Huntingdonshire?   

I was given the address of River View, St Ives, but no idea when the Aitkens lived here, hence my enquiry in Huntingdonshire, England, and the English Census look up request.

I also realise that Scotland doesn't yet have the 1911 Census and that look ups in other Census' are free, but, as I said, I have very, very, very slow 'dial - up' internet only, can't download maps, etc, all v difficult.

Again, for all I know, the Aitkens are still in St Ives???   and the Kiddles ?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hi Bedfordshireboy  ...................David

I'm sure with your expertise you will be able to sort out which are the right John Ellis and Norah.      I'm inclined to agree with you, that John Ellis and Norah are 'my' Aitkens, and not,  James/John Aitken and Norah Evelyn Aitken.

My John Ellis Aitken was definitely a banker in India, like his father, unlikely that he was a 'govt official' etc.

Wonder if "River View", St Ives, was a home belonging to Norah's family, possibly, the Kiddles?     This could explain why the Aitkens can't be found on the Census at this address!

Having gone through the various folk and ages and dates posted by yourself and Carol, I'm inclined to agree with your view that they are two different families.

Once again, thank you very, very much   

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hi Carol8353

Thank you so much for all your help and hope that you've had a wonderful Easter meal with your family?  wonder if you've had a chance yet to pers message me?   

I'm finding trying to trace all these Aitkens so difficult, and confusing and the threads in my other sites are so difficult, some of them, to collate and follow.   

No one ever seems able to give me any info at all about Richard Aitken, b 12/5/1874, West Linton, Scotland, who also went into banking, but he could be in the USA, Canada, or South Africa?   

You will see from my previous postings, that I've had the idea that possibly the River View address in St Ives, as Bedfordshireboy says there are no Aitkens there in the Census, might then be the home of his wife, or his in-laws?  I think, but don't know for certain, that his wife was Norah Jean Kiddle.   

If it will help you, please refer to the Aitken thread in Peebles-Shire, Scotland, in Rootschat and you can see who and where, what for etc, John Ellis' parents were.

Many, many thanks

Danchaslyn

 

[carol8353]

Hello there

Having looked at all the ships passenger lists in date order I now find myself agreeing with David.They seem to be two different families,and with the latets info from yourself,that Norah may have had the middle name of Jean,just about clinches it.The one on the later trips back from India was Norah Elizabeth and that linked with James and not John does look like it's two different families.

Do you know if they married here or in India? Especially as daughter Elizabeth was born out there?

Carol

[carol8353]

Mmm does sound as though it was the Kiddle family who came from St Ives.

Births Dec 1899   
 
Norah KIDDLE    St. Ives ref 3b page 295   

In 1901 the family were at Carlisle Terrace,St Ives,dad Edward was a cabinet maker and upholsterer. Mum was Eleanor and there were 5 kids,Norah being the youngest at that time.

Carol

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hello Carol8353   .........Carol

Ok, so it looks like we have the family sorted out then from the passenger lists.........also, wish I did know if they married out in India, or in UK, assume, St Ives?

Thank you so much for finding the Norah Kiddle birth in St Ives, Dec, 1899, do you have a day, in Dec?   

Oh goodness, do hope this birth date matches up with the right Norah Aitken in the passenger lists?!!!!!!       

Do you know of "Kiddles" in St Ives?  And, so sorry to ask, but in 1911 Census, are they possibly at "River View"?   

Cheers

Danchaslyn

 

[carol8353]

They are still in St Ives in 1911- but now they have 8 kids  

I cannot see the address-you would need to pay per view to see that.

Norah is now 11

Carol

PS by the way there is no one called Kiddle in St Ives on the 2002 electoral roll