Another Jones

[emy]

I'm trying to find the birth or baptism of Joseph Jones. According to the 1881 census he was 40 making it 1841ish when he was born in Llandyrnog. I think I found him on the 1861 census where it says he is 21 but born in Newmarket, on same census he is living with his "mother" aged (wait for it ) 72 and she was born in Llandyrnog.
He married Emma Hughes in 1864 in St. George, St. Asaph but I can't find either of them on the 1871 census and on the 1881 census it looks like he has remarried to a Mary and living in Dyserth.
I'm so confused, can anyone help please

Emy   

[hiraeth]

I'm trying to find the birth or baptism of Joseph Jones. According to the 1881 census he was 40 making it 1841ish when he was born in Llandyrnog. I think I found him on the 1861 census where it says he is 21 but born in Newmarket, on same census he is living with his "mother" aged (wait for it ) 72 and she was born in Llandyrnog.
He married Emma Hughes in 1864 in St. George, St. Asaph but I can't find either of them on the 1871 census and on the 1881 census it looks like he has remarried to a Mary and living in Dyserth.
I'm so confused, can anyone help please

Emy   

Hi Emy - welcome to rootschat

The first rule when hunting Joneses is DO NOT PANIC

Do you have the marriage certificate of Emma Hughes & Joseph?  If so what were their ages?

Also what is his mother's name?

Heather

[emy]

Hi Hiraeth,

Thanks for replying.
Yes I have the marriage certificate for Joseph and Emma, Joseph was 24 and Emma was 21.
Joseph's father was Robert, occupation Miner and Emma's father was William, Occupation Laborer.
I don't have Joseph's mother's name and that is why I need his birth certificate to try and confirm these names and dates

Any help would be appreciated

Emy

[emy]

Heather, the name that was on the 1861 census for Joseph's mother was Margaret, but I'm not sure if she is his mother when you see the age. She is 72 and Joseph was 21.

I also have a copy of an 1871 census for Aberwheeler with a Margaret Jones as Head aged 85 born Llandyrnog and it looks like Joseph's son Robert Jones aged 3 born in Newmarket and it says he is her grandson. (I have his birth certificate born Oct 23rd 1867 born in Newmarket Father Joseph and mother Emma Hughes.

Sorry to confuse you

Emy

[hiraeth]

Hi Emy

There is a death of an Emma Jones, age 26, Sep Q 1869 Holywell District ref 11b 164. 

Holywell was the civil registration area for Newmarket (Trelawnyd)

Have you checked this out?

Heather

[emy]

I didn't have that Heather thanks, it looks like it could be the right Emma.
Hope I can find Joseph's birth certificate as quick so I can solve who his mother was.

Emy

[hiraeth]

There is this family in 1851 Graig, Flintshire

HO107/2500/31/11

Margaret Jones, age 36?  very faint could be 56? , widow, charwoman
Robert Jones, age 18, s, leadminer
Sarah Jones, age 12
Joseph Jones, age 10
all born Llandyrnog (its been transcribed as Llandgmeg, Denbighshire!)

[emy]

I did find that census Heather and the age of Joseph looks right. I'm such a doubting Thomas. I just wish they would make up their mind where they were born and how old they were. Would you say they were the same family

[hiraeth]

1871 Graig, Newmarket

RG10/5636/51/11
Robert Jones, age 38, Coal Miner, born Bodfarry, Flintshire
Rebeca Jones, age 36
Sarah Ann Jones, age 15, born Whitford
Margaret Jones, age 10 born Whitford
John Jones, age 7 born Whitford
Edward Jones, age 3 born Newmarket
Mary Jane Jones, age 5 months  born Newmarket
Joseph Jones, age 30, brother in law, Widower, born Bodfarry, Flintshire

Sorry scratch this one - Joseph Jones age 20 is a servant in an Aberwheeler household in 1861