Roche/Raoch/Roache - Doneraile Co Cork

[Tissy]

Hi All,

I am trying to trace the birth/baptism of one James Roach who was transported to Australia c 1824. The details on his death certificate show that he would have been born c1808 in Doneraile. His parents were shown as Thomas Roach and Julia Mellon. He died in Wollongong NSW, Australia on 21/07/1873 aged 66 years. His marriage and death certificates have his name spelt as Roach and all his children were registered the same way.
I have narrowed down 11 Baptisms in Co Cork for James ROCHE from 1806 to 1812 but as I am looking for him for an elderly lady who lives here, I don't want to run up a big bill on the off chance that one of these is her James.

If it is at all possible for someone to look up RC Baptism records for this period in the Doneraile area and match the reords to the parents I would be most grateful.

Also if anyone has access to court records for the early 1800's I would love to know how I could access the information from them. The trouble is that there were at least 10 James Roches' (various spellings), who were transported to Australia in the early 1800's, at least 5 of whom were from County Cork, so it is making it very difficult to try and pin down which one belongs to dear old Doreen.

I've had some hard nuts to crack in my own family and searching that I have done for friends before this, but I think James Roach might be taking the cake so any help that anyone could give me would be most greatfully recieved.

Regards,
Tissy (We really should have a pulling out the hair icon!)

[genie65]

I have a Honora Roache born about the same time married to a Thomas crone in Doneraile in 1833 lived next door to Doneraile in Butterworth later. Unfortunately I don't know her parents and am looking for them too and her death location also

Their children that I know of were
Elizabeth 1834
ANN 1838
Richard 1841
Margaret 1844-1906 who married Richard Couche 1838-1902 9brotehr of William Couche above) died Brigown Mitchelstown

Hanora and Thomas Crone 1810-1871 moved to Melbourne Australia in 1862. Some of my other family related to her were the Mary Ann McCarthy parents Michael McCarthy and Margaret Darcy (born Tipparary moved to Greenwich London, Mary Ann married William Couche Superintendent of Police in 1865 lived in Ballarat Victoria. Hope this helps
You can often  get the parents on Victoria's Birth Deaths and Marriages its free will try and look it up 

[genie65]

EDWARD WARRINGTON and ELIZABETH ROACH

Edward WARRINGTON was born in Dapto in on the 9th of January 1843 (ref 1), begins in Ireland in 1770 with birth of Catharine MALONE.

Catharine MALONE: tried at Dublin in 1792 for  theft  from Francis Hopkins  transported to Australia for seven years (ref 2) arrived on  “Sugar Cane” in 1793 (ref 3).She had  four husbands/de factos and five children, a daughter Sarah died at two, and four sons. The father
of  elder three boys was John Worthington (WARRINGTON) other William  Fry  a convict. She was  sentenced to Female Cloth Factory (prison) for a prison break  with two eldest boys admitted into the Orphan School in Parramatta (ref 4). William  born 1812,  christened 1826 and his baptism certificate with father listed, as William FRY MALONE (ref 5).

b) William WARRINGTON
William Fry MALONE (WARRINGTON) and  Louisa KNOWLAND married  in Dapto in 1841 (ref 6).  William’s  pseudo  name “HARRINGTON” Louisa fathe David KNOWLAND and Mary SMITH, both English convicts. David  England  1772 transported on the Third Fleet vessel “Neptune” in 1790 convicted at 14 25 June 1788 for housebreaking (ref 7). Mary SMITH w Hampshire in 1776 and transported on  “Nile” in 1801 (ref .

c) David KNOWLAND
David KNOWLAND became a respectable citizen in Sydney after serving the term of his sentence. David married Mary SMITH in 1810 (ref 9) after  daughters birth Louisa in 1808 and Mary in 1809 (ref 10). Given a grant of land in 1814 and in 1818  appointed as guardian to Thomas Warrington  son of Catharine MALONE and elder brother of William WARRINGTON (ref 11). David died in 1837 (ref 12) Mary died in 1865 (ref 13).

Louisa KNOWLAND,  Lucy, 18 when married James JACKSON in 1826 (ref 14).   James  died 1826 (ref 15) after which Lucy began her relationship with William WARRINGTON. William younger brother of Thomas Warrington  relationship  a family connection,  David was Thomas' guardian. The marriage of William and Lucy is  Dapto in the NSW BDM Index in September 1841 (ref 16) first child was born in 1834 (ref 17) nine children, including Edward WARRINGTON  born  Dapto on the 9th of January 1843 (ref 18).

William WARRINGTON died Braidwood 1894 (ref 19)  married Elizabeth ROACHE (ROACH)  Wollongong 5 /2/ 1861 (ref 20). Edward signed  his “X” mark and as Elizabeth was under the age of 21, the certificate states the marriage with  consent of her father James ROACHE.

 James ROACH
James ROACH was born in Doneraile, County Cork, Ireland in about 1807, the son of farm labourer Thomas ROACH and Julia MELLAN (ref 21). James is listed as a free man in Dapto on the 1841 NSW Census (ref 22). He married Mary Ann MILNE in Dapto in 1843 and they had six children, the eldest being Elizabeth. Her children's birth records  indicate she was born in 1842 or 1843. Mary Ann MILNE died i1854 (ref 23)  buried in Roman Catholic ceremony at Wollongong on 12 May. James ROACH married again in 1855 to Helen WILLIAMS (ref 24)fathered, Ellen. James died on 28 July 1873 (ref 25)  death certificate states he had lived in NSW for 49 years, arriving in the colony in about 1824. His occupation is a  farmer.

Edward WARRINGTON and Elizabeth ROACH:
Edward and Elizabeth had six children, four bearing the surname WARRINGTON and the younger two, FRY. The youngest child 31 July1870 as Ernest Roach FRY, with the father’s name as Edward Warrington FRY (ref 26). No record of Elizabeth’s death in NSW BDM, however Edward married Mary Ann TEASDALE in Cooma in 1874 (ref 27) having  three more children.

Edward died on 13 August 1895 (ref 28)  lists his parents as being William Warrington and Lucy Nowlan (Louisa Knowland), so it is the same person. His  occupation is farmer
Children of Edward WARRINGTON and Elizabeth ROACH:

Francis Mathias Fry WARRINGTON      22 Feb 1862     Broulee
Angelina Lucy WARRINGTON            30 June 1863        Broulee
Albert Edward WARRINGTON            16 Nov 1864     Broulee
Edgar James Fry WARRINGTON      28 Jan 1867     Broulee
Mary T FRY                  1869            Ulladulla
Ernest Roach FRY                31 July 1870        Milton

REFERENCE SOURCES:
1   NSW Birth Certificate ref V18431503 121A/1843
2   A Nimble Fingered Tribe by
3   Irish Convicts to NSW provided by Peter Mayberry
4   Lesley Uebel’s Convict Anthology
5   NSW Birth Certificate ref: V18127499/ 1C/1812
6   NSW Marriage Certificate ref V182137 123/1841
7   The Proceedings of the Old Bailey
8   Colonial Secretary Index 1788 – 1825 and Convict Women to NSW
9   NSW Marriage Certificate ref V18101016 3A/1810
10  NSW Birth Certificate V18092109 1A/1809
11  Colonial Secretary Index 1788 - 1825
12  NSW Death Certificate ref V18372636 21/1837
13  NSW Death Certificate ref 301/1865
14  NSW Marriage certificate ref
15  NSW Death Certificate V1826642 10/1826
16  NSW Marriage certificate ref V184137 123/1841
17  Colbran Genealogy, Rootsweb
18  NSW Birth Certificate ref V18431503 121A/1843
19  NSW Death Certificate 3272/1894
20  NSW Marriage Certificate ref 3111/1861
21  NSW Death Certificate 1873/007464
22  NSW Census of the Year 1841
23  NSW Burial Certificate 22o Vol: 122A
24  NSW Marriage Certificate ref no: V1855133 123/1855
25  NSW Death Certificate 1873/007464
26  NSW Birth Certificate ref: 1870/017954
27  NSW Marriage Certificate ref: 2165/1874
28  NSW Death Certificate ref 7954/1895
29  NSW Birth Certificate 1863/006436
30  NSW Birth Certificate 1870/017954

Jeanne