Timothy Mahoney

[Tati]

Hi both 

Is does look like a strange coincidence, doesn't it, when you look at Mahoney births with mother's maiden name Kingdom (all Cardiff) :

Kathleen Dec 1913
Timothy J Dec 1915
Doreen Dec 1919 (mother's name is shown as Kingdon)
John 1922
James A 1927
Betty J 1930
Violet M 1931

 

[osprey]

Well, those birth regs look interesting. I've found registrations for some of the names in Merthyr, but that's a far higher success rate. Also, I found a Nellie with mother's maiden name Hutchings and that wasn't on the list. Now, there are at least 3 Timothy Mahoneys on the census in Merthyr. There's the 1908 marriage, one registered Newport in 1914 to Grimaldi, and another registered Merthyr in 1914 to Murphy.

I think I'd be tempted to get that 1908 marriage and/or one of the Cardiff registered births to check the details.

There's more than one Margaret Mahoney birth reg as well - couple in Cardiff march qtr 1910 vol 11a pg 371, march qtr 1911 vol 11a pg 392. How sure are you that you have the correct birth cert for Margaret? You may have been really unlucky and found another Margaret daughter of another Timothy. When & where did she die? Dates of birth are on the index from 1984.

 

[jennyrob]

 The birth certificate of Margaret is in the family born 22 Jan 1909 at Upper Taff Street Caedraw Merthyr  Father Timothy Coal miner mother Mary formerly Hutchings of 11 Upper Taff Street I will send for themarriage cert   of Mary Kingdom Thanks for your help

[welshjo]

Just a thought.
On freebmd there is a marriage
Jane Hutchins  on the same page as a William Kingdon
Sep qtr 1899 Pontypridd 11a 910

There are a couple of Mary Hutchings/Hutchins/Hitchins births in Pontypridd in the few years prior to this date.

Could Mary have been before marriage of the man she considered her father and named on her marriage certificate - so using his name and then when registering births of children - depending on who registered them - went by either name.

[Tati]

I considered that too, Welshjo!! 

Tried to follow it up but this Jane was shown as only 23 in 1901 and I couldn't ID her on earlier censuses to check her age 

[osprey]

I can see a Jane Hitchins that could fit Mrs Kingdom

1881 14 Maxwell St, Ystradyfodwg RG11/5304 folio 34 pg 29
George Hitchins head mar 30 coal miner b. Aberdare
Eliza wife 31 b. Llangynwd
Elizabeth M dau 7 b. Aberdare
William son 5 b. Aberdare
Jane dau 2 b. Aberdare
David Jones boarder 23 coal miner b. Ystradgynlais

George remarries june qtr 1884 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 603

1891 16 Pleasant Hill, Home Penrhys, Tylorstown with Ferndale
George Hitchings head mar 43 coal miner b. Hirwain
Catherine wife 41 b. Treforest
Cath Anne dau 20 b. Abernant
William son 15 coal miner b. Cwmbach
Willie son 13 coal miner b. Cwmbach
Jane dau 12 b. Cwmbach
Maggie dau 11 b. Aberdare
Hannah dau 10 b. Abernant
Hannah Richards mother widow 66(?) b. Morriston

George remarries june qtr 1900 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 849 with Frances Jones on the same page

Jane Kingdom is in Ferndale in 1901. But it could be a coincidence.

 

[Tati]

Hmmm. Wouldn't the theory only have fitted if Jane was old enough to be Mary's (it's Mary instead of Margaret now, I believe?) mother? If Mary was married in 1909 then we're probably looking at a girl born ca. 1890?

Jenny - could you clarify whether the name is Mary or Margaret Hutchings on the birth cert you hold? Also, as Osprey was asking, how sure are you that you have the correct Margaret Mahoney birth cert? (Additionally to the Cardiff ones, there are also 2 Margaret Mahoneys registered in Cardiff 1910/1911). When exactly did your Margaret die and what was her name at the time?

 

[osprey]

Hi Tati,

Jenny said that the cert was in the family, but whether it's an original or has been obtained since is another matter.


 
 

[Tati]

Oops, sorry, missed that bit