Mary Reynolds/Madden marriage

[lizdb]

So - Charlottes parents are William and MArgaret?

So the 1871 entry, with parents John and Mary is probably not her or her parents at all. Nor the widowed Mary A in 1881.


Looks like you have found the marriage (the cert will give fathers names and occupations so will hwlp find Wm n Margaret before the marriage)

But they should be on 1851 as newly weds.

where was Charlotte born, by the way (from the birth cert) as that will help with the search.

[Necromancer]

finally looked to verify Charlottes Birth in Hillingdon (would be Uxbridge District) - and nowt .... so as Liz says, that 1871 census family is very odd. Thought they looked a bit old to be parents too !

[jorose]

Are you sure Charlotte aged 14 in 1871 is the same as the one from your birth certificate?
What is the address on the birth certificate?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355184.0.html
 - from here, we seem to have
Charlotte Ann Reynolds, married Richard Butler/Buttler in 1876 - do you have this certificate? She seems to be listed as Charlotte Ann B. Reynolds here. She is b. Uxbridge in the 1881 census, with mother Mary A. aged 64 b. Wicking, Buckinghamshire at the same address.
Charlotte Ann Butler then marries Alfred Ernest Brunger in 1888 in Lambeth, and this couple are your great-grandparents.

I would suggest the following possiblity as an alternative to the daughter of William and Margaret, given the "Charlotte Ann B. Reynolds" name at first marriage:
Charlotte Ann Burr, b. Mar 1857 quarter, Uxbridge district
Mary Ann Burr m. maybe John Reynolds, Sep 1862 quarter, Uxbridge district.

In 1861 there is a Charlotte Burr, 4, living with grandparents William and Mary Gibley(? not sure on surname) in Hillingdon.

[lizdb]

This is proving to be difficlut, finding more about this Charlotte whose birth cert you have.

What other clues does it give? Fathers occupation? Address at birth? etc

And, what information did you have about Charlotte that led you to this cert in the first place, to be sure it was your ancestor? Where did you get a birth year for her from?
We will need to step back a bit to sort this one.

1861 has two or three William and Margaret Reynolds couples on it, even one in Stepney, but none with a dtr Charlotte that I can see.

So - what else do you know about Charlotte?

[lizdb]

well done jorose - looks like you may have cracked it!
(never thought to look for another thread with more details - when will I learn!)
So - censuses right, but wrong birth cert.

[m1ldmay4]

Looks like I need to review my reasearch more. The info jorose found is from my initial thread. Thought I was doing well until now  I'll need some time to re-check all my info and get back to you.

[lizdb]

One step at a time usually works best!

We all live and learn.

Hope you get it sorted. Looks like another birth cert to get!

[carol8353]

William and Mary is both down as Burr in 1851 ,with loads of kids  

HO107/1697 Folio  522  Page  36

Carol

[m1ldmay4]

So are you suggesting that the Charlotte Ann B.Reynolds is indicating B = former married name and Reynolds = former maiden name??

The birth cert I have shows the registration district as St George in the East, Middx.

1876 is a reference to a marriage of Charlotte Ann B.Reynolds to a Richard Butler.

1881 census shows Charlotte A (born in UXBRIDGE) married to Richard Butler (Head) and is age 24 (b.1857). In the same household is a Sophia Brunger (Head) and Alfred Brunger along with MARY REYNOLDS (Mother-in-Law) widow (64).

My grandfather was a twin born in 1890. My Dad confirms this. His birth cert shows Mother as Charlotte Ann Brunger, Formerly Reynolds and Father as Alfred Ernest.

1891 census shows him living with father and Mother (C - no name) age 29 (Born in UXBRIDGE), sister Maud and two others, all with same surname. So there is a discrepancy in the ages between 1881 and 1891 census unless they are not the same person 

Help!!

Are you sure Charlotte aged 14 in 1871 is the same as the one from your birth certificate?
What is the address on the birth certificate?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355184.0.html
 - from here, we seem to have
Charlotte Ann Reynolds, married Richard Butler/Buttler in 1876 - do you have this certificate? She seems to be listed as Charlotte Ann B. Reynolds here. She is b. Uxbridge in the 1881 census, with mother Mary A. aged 64 b. Wicking, Buckinghamshire at the same address.
Charlotte Ann Butler then marries Alfred Ernest Brunger in 1888 in Lambeth, and this couple are your great-grandparents.

I would suggest the following possiblity as an alternative to the daughter of William and Margaret, given the "Charlotte Ann B. Reynolds" name at first marriage:
Charlotte Ann Burr, b. Mar 1857 quarter, Uxbridge district
Mary Ann Burr m. maybe John Reynolds, Sep 1862 quarter, Uxbridge district.

In 1861 there is a Charlotte Burr, 4, living with grandparents William and Mary Gibley(? not sure on surname) in Hillingdon.