Anyone help please, HOLMAN

[mollyolly]

Hi, going back over some research I have done on Holman in Ardingly and now I am not so sure I have got it all correct. ould someone please give their opinion.
What I have so far is..

James Holman b.abt 1814 Ardingly, West Sussex married Frances Arnold b. abt 1814 Horsted Keynes, West Sussex on October 7th 1837

Frances Arnold father was Thomas Arnold, a farmer
James Holman father was Richard Holman, lab

On 1841 census Frances is living with John aged 3 and James aged 1 at Hapstead Green

On 1851 census we now have living at Hapstead Green
James Head
Hannah ??  could this be Frances, age is same and birth place
James
Mary
Able
Dorcas
Cornelia
Norris Mary Holman

On 1861 census it is just
James Head
Cornelius (same person as Cornelia ?)
Abel (spelt differently)

ages all match birthdates I have previously

Bit I am confused about..is on 2nd July 1852 Moses Holman was born, mother Frances Holman formerly Arnold, father James Holman.  I just can't seem to find any record of him. I also have that in 1852 Frances Arnold/Holman died.
I know that Moses went on to marry Harriet Cook and after that I have all the family info.
James Holman married again, a Mary Packham in 1864 and they had a son Francis in 1865

I am unsure as to whether Moses Holman really had all these brothers and sisters, but only as I can't find any record of them all being together.

Can anyone help please.

[Evie]

Hi

I thought I'd start with Moses as my first thought was that Frances had died during or just after childbirth and Moses had been fostered out as a nurse child or something similar. However at the moment I cannot see him. Where was he born or where is he giving his birth place to be please?

Evie

[mollyolly]

Moses was born Cuckfield district  Vol 2b page 117  1852. I have a copy of his birth cert. saying Frances was his mother.

If you look on ancestry there is another Moses Holman born 1886 Cuckfield, that is his son

I am just looking for something that makes it certain that Moses did have able and cornelius and dorcus etc as brothers and sisters. Its so easy to get the wrong Holman as there are so many !

Why can't I find a census record with him on in 1861 as he would only be 9

[mollyolly]

Moses is on the 1881 1891 census. He died in 1896.  So he is missing from 1861 and 1871...why ??

[avm228]

He's around in 1871:

Hapstead, Ardingly, Sussex

James HOLMAN Head Mar 57 Farm labourer Sussex Ardingly
Mary Ann HOLMAN Wife Mar 46 Sussex Ardingly
Moses HOLMAN Son Unm 18 Farm labourer Sussex Ardingly
Francis HOLMAN Son 6 Scholar Sussex Ardingly

RG10/1060/89/15 (use just this reference to sidestep any transcription issues).

Anna

 

[mollyolly]

Thanks.  Where do I put that reference..is that on Ancestry

Do you think it makes sense that Moses brothers and sisters are Dorcus and Abel etc etc and they just happened to be in different places when census was done ?

[Evie]

Hi

Just had a look again at the 1851 census you have. It looks like Francis to me rather than Hannah and Cornelia could well be Cornelius as it has son. The Norris (although that was unclear to me) Mary Holman is a widow of about 90 years.

Still cannot find Moses in 1851 1861 yet. Strange.

Evie

[mollyolly]

No, Moses was born 1852, so not on 1851 census BUT why can't I find him on 1861 census.
Trying to find his brothers and sisters now seeing as they have unusual names I thought it would be easy...but no its not !!

[mollyolly]

Yep just looked at image and it is Francis. Its been copied wrongly on the records I would say...just to make things more confusing !