Salisbury - Wrexham - help needed

[betton39]

i am looking for information on my odlest ancestors. i am hoping someone can help me get a little further back.
Joseph Salisbury wasborn in 1829, the son of a Farmer called john Salisbury and his wife mary. (i have been told that she was called Davies before marriage)

i know hardly anything about them apart from roughly in 1840's they were in "Bontuchel

i believe they had a rather large family and have onle been able to find out a little of one of his other brothers John, who was born c. 1827 and married an Hannah pierce (?)

I have census info on Joseph, but little else on his parents and siblings.

Can anyone help me with tracking down info, census records, parish records etc???

i will be stuck without it

Many thanks
Betton

[wilcoxon]

  This could be them, there many more John and Mary`s but this one seems to be the right place, Llanfwrog is very close to Ruthin,
Only problem Joseph doesn`t seem to be at home.
1841 HO107; Piece 1404; Folio: 12; Page: 6
 Ty Newydd, Bont Uchel, Llanfwrog,  Denbs,
John Salisbury 50  farmer Y
Mary Salisbury 50  Y
David Salisbury 20  N
John Salisbury 15  N
Joshua Salisbury 12  Y
Anne Salisbury 10  Y
Elisabeth Salisbury 8  Y
Hannah Salisbury 4  Y
 
 Is this Joseph  He``s the only one I can find , but you may have him elsewhere. This one was not born in Flintshire.
1841 HO107; Piece 1413; Folio: 6; Page: 4;
Freeth,  Holywell , Borough of Flint.
Edward Hughes 40 farmer
Margaret Hughes 35
Joseph Salisbury 10 M(ale) servant N
Mary Jones 25 
Mary Evans 15 
Robert Pritchard 25 
Evan Jones 25 
 
 
 
 

[betton39]

Thanks Wilcoxon

He is however the same age as "Joshua" on the census. (12  - born c. 1829)
No one that i have ever spoken to has found a Joshua just a Joseph.
And no matter what i have tried i can only find history on three of the children:
Joseph  - mine
John - married Hannah Pierce (late Jones)
Mary - John Bowker 

can't find anything on the others
and cannot get any further back with john 

i believe he died somewhere in between this census in 41 and the next one... and in 1851 the only children living with Mary are Joseph and John.
So what happened to the others......  not a clue 

Thanks for your help
Really appreciated
Betton
 

[hiraeth]

This appears to be the same family that Wilcoxon found,
in 1851:
HO107/2504/196/8
Ty Newydd, Bodyngharad Isa
John Salisbury, age 62, Farmer of 30 acres, born Llanbedr
Mary Salisbury, age 60, Farmers Wife, born Llanynys
Josuah Salisbury, age 22, son, born Llanfwrog (mistranscribed as Llandwrog)
Hannah Salisbury, age 14, dau, born Llanfwrog

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llanfwrog/index.html

[wilcoxon]

 1851 Ty Newydd, the next house-hold is Bont Uchal, it is definately Josuah on the original page though ,

[hiraeth]

and in 1851 the only children living with Mary are Joseph and John.

Betton
 

What is the reference for the 1851 entry you found - is it this one in Stansty?
HO107/2503/822/13
Mary Salisbury, age 66, pauper, born Broughton
John Salisbury, age 24, son, un, born do
Joseph Salisbury, age 21, son, un, born do

[hiraeth]

In 1851 Anne Salisbury, age 19,  born Llanfwrog, is a female servant in Llandegla
 HO107/2504/5/3

There are three Salisbury deaths on freeBMD registered in Ruthin 1841 to 1851.

[hiraeth]

I'm not sure which family is yours Betton but there are these marriages on freebmd:

March Q 1856 Ruthin 11b 505
SALISBURY, Joshua
JONES, Eleanor

Sep Q 1863 Ruthin 11b 496
SALISBURY, Hannah
to either
EVANS, Samuel or JONES, Isaac

[betton39]

and in 1851 the only children living with Mary are Joseph and John.

Betton
 

What is the reference for the 1851 entry you found - is it this one in Stansty?
HO107/2503/822/13
Mary Salisbury, age 66, pauper, born Broughton
John Salisbury, age 24, son, un, born do
Joseph Salisbury, age 21, son, un, born do

Good Afternoon
Wilcoxon and Hirieth
Thanks for all the hard work   
i believe the above one is the correct
According to my very far awaw related cousin (Who is related to John) . this is the only information this far back we could find too.
The 1841 you have found is a strong possibility, but i guess with finding the same family in 1851, puts a severe amount of doubt in my mind 

where do you suggest we go from here?