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Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« on: Wednesday 29 April 09 04:24 BST (UK) »
Appealing to all who are clever at reading old writing - can you please help me to decipher the marriage record below?  It starts "Samm'el Boll and Agnes Leitch both [of] this parish ..."; there then appears to be something like "by God", but then I get totally lost!

The marriage is supposedly 5 Dec., 1689, so presumably that information appears somewhere!

Thanks for all suggestions
Tim
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 09:08 BST (UK) »
The bit after God looks as if it might be November (shortened) followed by what I thought was a 6 but it could be a 5. At the end it could be Jn Gibson curate but as the writer does his letter s backwards then who knows. I did wonder if the word before God was *before* shortened.
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 09:20 BST (UK) »
I don't think the word before November is 'god'. It ends 'ed'.

The marriage is supposedly 5 Dec., 1689, so presumably that information appears somewhere!

The word at the end of the fourth line is 'marri-', presumably followed by '-ed' at the start of the fifth line, followed by Decr 5

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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 09:23 BST (UK) »
You just beat me there Jennifer  :)

I thought the same and also that the word con at the end of line 3 might link with the following word to be con/joined.

We may be getting somewhere  :)


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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 09:54 BST (UK) »
the word con at the end of line 3 might link with the following word to be con/joined.

The only other word I can make out of this just now is 'confirmed'  ???

And I still can't sort out what comes before November.
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 10:07 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering if the November date refers to either bride or groom being baptised or confirmed into the church or the date/s the banns were called.  I can't read any  of that text, but I was wondering what information might be included there .
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 10:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all for your help.

Yes, I can see "Dec'r 5" now, and I agree that this fellow's e's look a lot like o's, so what I thought was "God" is actually "?ed"

It does look like the name "Gibson" is featrured, but the word after it starts with a "b", so cannot be curate (this is from Scotland - did they even have curates?)

As the third line does seem to refer to November, could it be saying something along the lines of "banns having been read 3 times in November"?  

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Tim
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 10:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks alpinecottage - we posted at the same time, and were thinking alike!
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Re: Did a spider crawl over the parish register?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 10:14 BST (UK) »
and I agree that this fellow's e's look a lot like o's, "? 

That was actually how an 'e' was written at that time

It does look like the name "Gibson" is featrured, but the word after it starts with a "b", so cannot be curate (this is from Scotland - did they even have curates?)

The word starts with a 'C' - it could read Gibson Carle.
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