Birth/Baptism - CHILDS - Upper/Lower Dean

[tazzie]

   Hi ....

  Maybe worth a Northants post..... a member submission and we all know about those...but

  Benjamin Squirell to Elizabeth Childs  1801 Kettering  19 May.

     Tazzie

[bedfordshire boy]

Look at William and Louisa in 1841 on reply #8 on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,380075.0.html
and in 1851 on reply #4 on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369836.msg2444846.html#msg2444846

All of the children including David, were baptised as Squirrel, as that was their father William's legal name - he was possibly the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Squirrel -if she was the wife of Benjamin why wasn't he named as the father? But I like Tazzi's idea that the middle name Childs was Elizabeth's maiden name. All we need now is to find a burial for Benjamin

Perhaps William dropping the surname Squirrel was recognition that his father wasn't Benjamin Squirrel, so he took his mother's maiden name

David

Do an IGI parent search against Benjamin Squirrel and Elizabeth, and look at the geographical spread of the results - but all member submissions. Something doesn't stack up here, as Benjamin was still alive apparently after William was born. Why when he was baptised age 18 didn't he give his father's name? Why did he return to Dean?

[carol46]

on the 1881 william is just calling himself squirrel no childs,no louisa with him she died in 1871,well at least he is found,funny how all the children were baptisned squirrel,but then carried on calling themselves childs.dont think he could make his mind up what he wanted to be called.

[tazzie]

   I have one baptism where the parents where married but in another parish...she was widowed before child was born and went home to her parents with the baby.

  Vicar would not baptise the baby as son of .... as he said she had no proof of her marriage.
 A new vicar arrived 6 years later and Edward was baptised by the newcomer son of Thomas (Now Deceased) & Elizabeth.

  So stranger things have happened.  ( Mind you alot of mine are strange anyway).

    Tazzie

[johnP-bedford]

hello Carol, & David & Tazzie...

ok first well done for unravelling this

is this William Childs aka Squirell baptised at age 18 in 1828 (thus b 1810) this chap found twice on the Beds Archives Gaol database & described as 'A very depraved bad youth' in 1825 age 14 

http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=3536


cheers John

[tazzie]

   Hello John....
    Have him on Victorian prisoners...
   1825
  age 14  William Squirrel
  hair brown
  height 4'10''
  complexion Pale
 
  Housebreaking  living Upper Dean

  1829
  age 19     house breaking William Childs

  height 5'6''
  hair lightbrown
  complexion fresh
  Lent assizes 1830

  Living Dean.

  also breaking game laws 1828.

  Bit naughty then.

              Tazzie

   

[johnP-bedford]

Also the IGI has a member submission of a birth of Louisa Newton in Shelton (Shelton just up road from Upper Dean) in <about 1806> to parents Nathaniel Newton & Mary Morris, plus a burial for her dated 15 Nov 1871. Does that tie up with censuses ? - it does tie up to a FreeBMD death in Oct-Dec 1871 St Neots RD for Louisa Childs born 1804

plus note Nathaniel is a child of William & Louisa Childs...

what d'ya think ; John

[johnP-bedford]

Tazzie, 

The Victorian prisoners site is fed from the Beds Archives Gaol database, so it is the same information.  Interestingly more info on him comes from the A2A dated 1825

"Recognizances: Jn. Stains, Upper Dean, shopkeeper; prosecute Wm. Squirrel, same, labr.; for theft of clasp knives and pocket book or "house wife" of red morocco leather; also to "produce his own wife" to give evidence ".

"Examinations and depositions: Information of Wm. Staines, Upper Dean, shopkeeper. He was woken up by Sam. Farey between 10 and 11 p.m., and found a bay of his shop broken through "the bay is a wall of Stud & mud". Finding two pocket knives missing he got the constable to arrest Wm. Squirrel, aged about fourteen, as he was at play with other boys. The constable searched him and found the two knives, and a "little morocco houswife book", the latter belonging to Staines wife. Information of Wm. Bull Petty constable, Upper Dean. Examination of Wm. Squirrel; Wm. Arnot, Tilbrook and Rich. Merrill, Kimbolton, "two young fellows", gave the articles to him".


David; Just going to watch the cricket highlights from Lords - we did well ...

see you later

[carol46]

i've just been on the IGI with the name squirrell and all the names tie up now confusion over.I even got David childs or squirrel wifes maiden name harriet fisher.Which i have been trying to findout for ages.

Wow great work,i couldnt have worked this out without you.thankyou so much

best wishes
carol.