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Offline Mistyrose41

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 23 May 09 20:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

            More research has brought up the following;
                       
                          EAST SURREY REGIMENT
                                    3rd Vol. Bn.
                                   Other Rank's
                           Helmet Plate 1881-1902

        In 1908 the 2nd and 3rd Volunteer Battalions became the regiment's 5th and 6th Territorial Battalions.  The 6th Battalion continued to wear a badge of Maltese cross design, with "South Africa" on the upper arm and "1900-02" on the lower. In the centre was a circlet inscribed The East Surrey Regt./6th Battalion" surrounding an eight-pointed star bearing the arms of Guildford. Examples with voided and [SOLID CENTRES] are recorded.

         1/6th Battalion_August 1914 : in Kingston-upon-Thames. Part of Surrey Brigade in Home Counties Division. [Ties in nicely with the SURREY NATIONAL RESERVE]. Embarked at Southampton on 29 October 1914._2 December 1914 : landed at Bombay, whereupon the Division was broken up. Was posted to the Allahabad Brigade in 8th (Lucknow) Division. Moved in March 1915 to Rawalpindi Brigade in 2nd (Rawalpindi) Division. [PERHAPS THE PHOTO TAKEN IN JULY/AUG 1915 WAS AFTER HE WAS WOUNDED]. I now only have to discover his Regimental Number!

                     Thanks Scrimnet I think you are spot on!

                                               Mistyrose


Wiltshire:  Cricklade, West Knoyle.
Names:Newman,  Mead.
Somerset: Hinton St. George, Lopen, Cricket St. Thomas, Hornblotton.
Names: Brook, Cranton, England, Mead.
Kent: Lympne, Dymchurch, Smeeth.
Names:: Taylor, Glayzier, Tebbles, Newman, Idenden.
Surrey: Hersham, Walton on Thames, Great Bookham, Byfleet, Stoke D'Abernon, Thames Ditton, Esher.
Pyrford.Wonersh.Dunsfold.
Names: Foster, Newman, Glashier, Brown, Bond, Morum, Pantling, Mead.
Middlesex: Littleton, Shepperton.
Names: Newman

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #55 on: Monday 25 May 09 02:44 BST (UK) »
We aim to please!!

Now then...The badge you illustrated is a "helmet plate" "up to 1902"...These had the Queen Victoria Crown on...Helmet plates were much bigger and went on the "home service" helmets....

The one I have been looking at, and is also opined by Gobbo is this one....Which lost the crown by WW1....
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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #56 on: Monday 25 May 09 08:41 BST (UK) »
Hello Scrimnet,
                                                           
                           I have just had an email from Ian EJ Chatfield the Curator of the Queen's Royal Surrey Regiment Museum about the photograph I sent him. He says;
 ' It looks to me like the badge of the 6th battalion East Surrey Regiment who went to India to relieve regular troops to return to the western front'

      Thanks to everyone for their interest and help. I will now try and discover his Regimental Number and SWB list No.

                                              Mistyrose
Wiltshire:  Cricklade, West Knoyle.
Names:Newman,  Mead.
Somerset: Hinton St. George, Lopen, Cricket St. Thomas, Hornblotton.
Names: Brook, Cranton, England, Mead.
Kent: Lympne, Dymchurch, Smeeth.
Names:: Taylor, Glayzier, Tebbles, Newman, Idenden.
Surrey: Hersham, Walton on Thames, Great Bookham, Byfleet, Stoke D'Abernon, Thames Ditton, Esher.
Pyrford.Wonersh.Dunsfold.
Names: Foster, Newman, Glashier, Brown, Bond, Morum, Pantling, Mead.
Middlesex: Littleton, Shepperton.
Names: Newman

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #57 on: Sunday 31 May 09 11:20 BST (UK) »
Just thought I would let everyone know, if at first you don't succeed........... keep looking!
I have just contacted a long lost cousin. I asked her about the Silver War Badge and she knew where it was. I now have the SWB number [438634] to continue my research.
I'm over the moon!!
                         
                              Mistyrose
Wiltshire:  Cricklade, West Knoyle.
Names:Newman,  Mead.
Somerset: Hinton St. George, Lopen, Cricket St. Thomas, Hornblotton.
Names: Brook, Cranton, England, Mead.
Kent: Lympne, Dymchurch, Smeeth.
Names:: Taylor, Glayzier, Tebbles, Newman, Idenden.
Surrey: Hersham, Walton on Thames, Great Bookham, Byfleet, Stoke D'Abernon, Thames Ditton, Esher.
Pyrford.Wonersh.Dunsfold.
Names: Foster, Newman, Glashier, Brown, Bond, Morum, Pantling, Mead.
Middlesex: Littleton, Shepperton.
Names: Newman

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #58 on: Monday 01 June 09 23:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mistyrose41 on Sunday 31 May 09 11:20 BST (UK)
Just thought I would let everyone know, if at first you don't succeed........... keep looking!
I have just contacted a long lost cousin. I asked her about the Silver War Badge and she knew where it was. I now have the SWB number [438634] to continue my research.
I'm over the moon!!
                         
                              Mistyrose

Excellent!!!

That will help a lot...A pity she does not have any medals as well though!!!
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 19:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Scrimnet,
                     Just thought I would let you know that I have today received documents from the NA regarding my Grandfather's SWB, It states that he served with the 24th Home Counties Bn. Rifle Brigade. Does not mention the East Surreys. Regimental No: 206256. So I can now confirm his medal card. I am a bit perplexed as on this card it gives two regimental numbers 206256 and 99. Any ideas why?

                           Mistyrose
Wiltshire:  Cricklade, West Knoyle.
Names:Newman,  Mead.
Somerset: Hinton St. George, Lopen, Cricket St. Thomas, Hornblotton.
Names: Brook, Cranton, England, Mead.
Kent: Lympne, Dymchurch, Smeeth.
Names:: Taylor, Glayzier, Tebbles, Newman, Idenden.
Surrey: Hersham, Walton on Thames, Great Bookham, Byfleet, Stoke D'Abernon, Thames Ditton, Esher.
Pyrford.Wonersh.Dunsfold.
Names: Foster, Newman, Glashier, Brown, Bond, Morum, Pantling, Mead.
Middlesex: Littleton, Shepperton.
Names: Newman

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Re: Cap Badge
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 20:55 BST (UK) »
The 24th were formed from 'supernumary' (odds & sods!) TF units, in November 1915 being posted to India in Feb 1916.

To be posted to the 24th, therefore, he must have been in another unit first - I think this may explain his two numbers, and also why he appears to be in an East Surreys uniform.

Kipling & King p705 shows the Rifle Brigade cap badge, and it has a wreath around it, unlike your photo. I think the photo is of him in his first Battalion.

Pete.
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