MAJOR, William - Lookup Request

[seahall]

HI All

From the N.M.I.

Newnham   
23 Nov 1858
William MAJOR otp, widower, full age, mason, father John, mason to
Elizabeth CARVELL otp, widow, full age, father Samuel Carvell, labourer   
These seem to be the couple that Hepburn note on the 1861 Census.

The marriage is noted on freebmd Dec Qtr 1858.

Sandy

[Chezney]

Hi, thank for that 'seahall'

I'm afraid I'm not up to date with these abbreviations; what's N.M.I? And how did you find the date 23 Nov 1858?
That's fantastic, thank you. I cannot seem to find their marriage on freeBMD, I can find 'William Major' with those details, however when I type in 'Carvell' under 'Spouse/Mother surname' nothing comes up. I thought I was a little more skilled at this than I am proving!

How could I discover who William's deceased wife was? I can find the birth entry for William Major (junior) on freeBMD, however when I type in 'Mothers maiden name' as Carvell, nothing comes up. This could just be me being stupid again!

I looked on the 1851 census for William Major, however I cannot seem to find a William born 1817.

Reading this back, I look useless at this, but I have managed a lot of research so far - honest!

[seahall]

Hi Chezney.

Sorry for not explaining fully.

The N.M.I. is the Northamptonshire Marriage Indexes.

It shows the details taken from the original Parish Record.

On freebmd if you click on the 3b 226 it will take you a page
showing both partners.

It is harder if there are 3 husband and 2 wives. 

Elizabeth is noted as CARVIL.

William would not have Mother's name being noting until 1911 I am afraid.

Censuses often record different ages on them so don't use them as "gospel".

You seem to be doing just fine.

Sandy

[Pennie]

So ... are you now thinking that Mary O'Neill was William's first wife (who he married before c1884), and Ellen Brennan his second (who he married before 1891)?

Pennie

[Pennie]

Neither of his marriages appear on FreeBMD, which leads me to believe that they very likely took place in Ireland.

Pennie

[Pennie]

On both the 1891 and 1901 censuses, Ellen gives her birthplace as Ireland.  It should also be noted that on the 1901 she is recorded as "Eleanor" (although this has not been any help in locating a possible marriage on FreeBMD!).

In view of the above, it is increasingly likely that the marriage(s) took place in Ireland.

Pennie

[Chezney]

I have just ordered the marriage certificate of 'William Henry Major' (born 1884 in Curragh Camp, Kildare) and 'Mary Winefred O'Neil'. They were married in 1903 Chorlton.

I too believe that his Father 'William Major' (born c.1859) and Mother 'Ellen Brennan' were married in Ireland. I will see what I can dig up about their marriage. I would like to know when William moved to Kildare, so will get my thinking cap on!

Once I have the two above marriage certificates I can confirm names, as from what I have read with all of your help is that William senior's Father could well have been another William!

How do you search for births/marriages pre 1837 as this is not possible of FreeBMD?

[seahall]

Morning Chezney.

You can search in the Parish Records pre 1837 (if still obtainable) at some
Libraries, LDS Centres, and Record Offices.

Also alot of folk transcribe them and offer free look ups.

Here are some links that may assist you.

http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/anna.smart/nth.htm

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Sandy

[Pennie]

Sorry, but I'm now getting confused (easily done!).

Are you now saying that it was William Jnr. (born 1884 Kildare) who married Mary O'Neill, as in your first post you say that it was his father (born c1864 Northamptonshire)?

William and Mary's marriage certificate will not really telll you anything you don't already know - that his father was also William and a butcher.

What you really need is William (Snr.) and Ellen/Eleanor's marriage certificate - this will give you the groom's father and his occupation, which should help to identify William's birth/baptism in Northamptonshire.

Pennie