Author Topic: BROWN Bertram William: COMPLETED unless someone can tell me when he arrived!? (Read 4261 times)

Wiggy · « **on:** Sunday 24 May 09 02:21 BST (UK) »

Trying to trace Bertram William BROWN, born 1879 Victoria Australia to Rebecca and George J J Brown.

On his mother's death certificate (1931), he is listed as living aged 50 and in a death notice in the paper of the day he is said to be in South Africa - he doesn't appear in any census or electoral rolls for Australia from 1901 - 1931. There is no family memory of him either.

Was he married? Any children? When did he live? Where and when did he die? So much we don't know.

Wiggy

EmPea · « **Reply #1 on:** Wednesday 27 May 09 16:30 BST (UK) »

Hi Wiggy

In the Pretoria Archives:

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
REFERENCE 81708
DESCRIPTION BROWN, WILLIAM BERTRAM.
STARTING 19330000
ENDING 19330000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE JOSEPHINE BROWN.

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
REFERENCE 4685/48
DESCRIPTION BROWN, JOSEPHINE. BORN FERGUSON.
STARTING 19480000
ENDING 19480000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE BERTRAM WILLIAM BROWN

The only other file (in the same archive) is this one :

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE TP
VOLUME_NO 54
REFERENCE T123
DESCRIPTION 2/C SERGEANT BERTRAM WILLIAM BROWN.
STARTING 19011115
ENDING 19121031

If you get copies of his Estate file, I'm sure you will be able to see if this is your man.

Regards
Moira

Wiggy · « **Reply #2 on:** Wednesday 27 May 09 22:18 BST (UK) »

Hi Moira,

Thanks so much for looking and finding. I will persue this line. Don't think I am dumb, but could you point me in the direction of how to get his estate file please. Is there a web site for doing this, or should I write to some library in S.A.?

Very grateful,

Wiggy

EmPea · « **Reply #3 on:** Thursday 28 May 09 08:52 BST (UK) »

Hi Wiggy

Either write directly to the archive itself or you can use the services of The Genealogical Society of South Africa. Look at the 8th sticky at the top of this board for the link to eGSSA. A link to the archive is the 6th sticky.

Regards
Moira

Wiggy · « **Reply #4 on:** Thursday 28 May 09 11:28 BST (UK) »

Thanks Moira

I've written to eGGSA - by stickies I presume you mean the sites listed by rutti tutti as look up sites do you?

Tried to look up myself and got to the same info you wrote out for me - thanks for that. i am very hopeful of receiving a reply from South Africa soon.

Many thanks - and if you fall over any more information keep me posted - though I don't think you fell over what you sent - lots of looking involved no doubt!

Wiggy

EmPea · « **Reply #5 on:** Thursday 28 May 09 15:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Wiggy

Quote from: WiggyHobbes08 on Thursday 28 May 09 11:28 BST (UK)

I've written to eGGSA - by stickies I presume you mean the sites listed by rutti tutti as look up sites do you?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant

Good luck with your search.

Regards
Moira

Wiggy · « **Reply #6 on:** Saturday 30 May 09 12:05 BST (UK) »

Hi Moira,

I have made contact with someone in South Africa who is going to do some looking for me - not the right place to go apparently but he seems willing to help anyway, which is very kind. I feel I am putting him out a bit though.

The information you've rounded up so far - does that tell me Bertram died in 1933 and Josephine in 1948? Is that what I should be reading from those numbers? If I go after those documents, will they tell me if they had any children? Can I find out more about Bertram before going for the document - e.g. is he the Bertram born in Victoria in 1879? $:-\$

Amazing how out of my depth I fell in trying to find out things from a 'strange' country!!

Cheers Wiggy

Wiggy · « **Reply #7 on:** Saturday 30 May 09 12:42 BST (UK) »

I can tell - I should read more of the posts before asking questions!!

i would learn so much that way!

Wiggy · « **Reply #8 on:** Sunday 31 May 09 02:02 BST (UK) »

Documents ordered

- many many thanks Moira for all your help.

Looking forward to reading more about Bertram!

Regards

Wiggy

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