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Walter Hawkes
« on: Tuesday 26 May 09 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi, wonder if anyone has info to any records in Canada that may help me find my Grandfathers brother?
he was Walter P Hawkes born 1886 Fulham
i have him in the 1891 census living in hammersmith, 1891 Census he is living with parents and brothers at 10 Colvin street,
and then
1901 census aged 14 telegraph messanger living at 39, Carthew Road, Hammersmith with his father and Step Mum, name on census is given as Hawker, i cannot find him on the 1911 census, (found my grandfather married) i have also found his brother and sister still living with my gt grandfather,

until recently i didn't know much about my grandfathers sibling/s, then at a relatives we found a letter written to my grandmother from Walter on the death of my grandfather, (1954) in it he spoke of his age
and mentioned by name two other siblings, he gave his address as Ontario Street Alliston Ontario, sadly my grandfather didn't speak much about his family and the one remaining cousin who remembers LOADS about that side, didn't know anything, so if anyone can help i am looking for Walters death or record of any family? as mentioned the letter is written in 1954 and he was aged then 68,
any info would be greatly appreciated ;)

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 01:40 BST (UK) »
Cannot find Canadian Attestation Papers for him:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
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Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 01:43 BST (UK) »
After a quick look, do not see him on the 1911 Canadian census:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/
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Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 01:50 BST (UK) »
I don't see him on Rootsweb:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

There is a Percy Hawkes, buried near Tecumseth, which apparently borders Allison.  Unfortunately, no further information is given:
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)


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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 02:27 BST (UK) »
Did a quick search and did not see him here:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 10:17 BST (UK) »
MANY thanks Lisa for taking the time/trouble to look, as you suggested via pm
i will take your advice on the other option, hopefully in between someone may find a clue
THANK YOU

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 12:32 BST (UK) »
You could try writing to the Alliston Union Cemetery, explaining your relationship to Walter Percy, asking if he might be buried there (also stating it is for genealogy purposes).  Canadian records are a little more private than records in the UK and America, so explanations are usually required.

http://www.town.newtecumseth.on.ca/InformationEvents/AllistonUnionCemetery/index.htm
You could give them the information from the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid for Percy Hawkes, and also ask if there would be a burial for Walter Hawkes after 1954.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 13:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Les,

Do you think Walter could have gone by the name Percy?  There is a Percy Hawkes living in the Village of Sharon in the 1911 who is a domestic, born 1886.   He is also on the Home Children's database listed at Library and Archives Canada.

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=85241

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

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Re: Walter Hawkes
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 14:58 BST (UK) »
Many thanks again Lisa, i will deffo' try that as well ;)

Thanks for taking the time to look Karen, i don't THINK he went as a child, as i have him aged 14 living with his Dad and stepmum, in 1901, i also have his Dad stepmum and brother and sister in the 1911 census still living at Carthew road, the same address as Walter lived with them in 1901,
BUT wouldn't rule anything out, his 2nd name deffo' was Percy, the letter he does use Walter in the heading and Wallie when he signs off,

my cousin remembers being told ONE of the brothers being pretty high up in the post office, but in the 1901 census Walter is a telegraph messanger, and the other brother Albert in the 1911 census is a postman, lol so not sure which of them worked their way up the ladder, they also had a sister Lucy Hawkes, in the 1911 census aged 19, another gone on the missing list ???

Many thanks for all your efforts, i WILL follow them up, these missing people have been harder to track than any, i have had more luck chasing my other grandads relatives in the Ukraine ::)