1871 Census

[ricky1]

Hi Welshspencer

have you got the marriage for Henry to Ellen/Helen


ricky

[welshspencer]

Hi Ricky


no have not been able to find it

[ricky1]

Hi Ricky


no have not been able to find it

Have to admit. I'm struggling to find one, thing is they could have married anywhere. Only thing I can think of is one of the kids birth certs, would give Ellen/Helen's maiden name

ricky

[RomanyRoser]

These are members of the LOVELL family I have found- Roser
LOVELL  Enoch 30 Travelling Brazier Birmingham, Emma Lovell 25 Worcs, Keomi Lovell 3 Wednesfield Heath, Cashmere Lovell 5wks Wednesfield Heath (Gipsy Tents, Pit mounds on east side of Buggins Lane, Wednesfield, Staffordshire 1861Census)
LOVELL (Ref PAGE 53; 77 “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL 14 Hawker Other Manchester Lancs , Mary Gray 50 Hawker Other Boston, Lincs (Tryanty (Vearous Place Travg Caravan And Tent Leftwich, Cheshire  RG11 3523 50 21   
LOVELL Ann Lear 1857 17 May Eli and Caroline (Higgler) of Waldron Waldron Sussex (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Celly 69 wid Peterborough, Speedwelly Lovell 35 Clothes peg mkr Gloucestershire
LOVELL Charles 1825 4 Dec William & Sarah (Horse Keeper) , St John, Croydon, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Christopher  (Ref PAGE 116; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Cornelious (Ref PAGE 116; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Dinah 1836 11 Dec aged 93 A gipsy  Culham, - (Burial Berkshire, Ref Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Family (Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)
LOVELL George 1827 24 Oct William & Sarah (Horse Dealer)  , St John, Croydon, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL George 1836 18 Mar Francis & Elizabeth (Tinman) , St John, Croydon, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Henry 1835 5 Jul John & Union Aged 5, (Brazier) Morden, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Jack (Ref PAGE111; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL James 1849 1 Apr William & Sarah (Horse Dealer)  , St John, Croydon, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL James 20 Pig Keeping Kensington Mx, Athaliah Lovell 21 Farnham Surrey (Waste Land on west side of Latimer Road called the Gipsies Encampment, in Tents, Hammersmith London Mx 1861 Census)
LOVELL James 35 Lic Hawker Thornbury Glos ,Lousea Lovell  28  Thornbury Glos , Cornelius Smith 14 Female/Hawkers Asst  N/K (Wainlode Hill Road Norton Glos RG11 2530 89 21)   
LOVELL Joseph 1843 28 Aug John & Naomi (Brazier) Mersthampshire, (Gypsies Passing Through), Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Limpady 1825 18 Sep John & Unity (Stranger) Banstead, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Louis (Ref PAGE 91; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Mary Ann 1866 13 Jun William & Mary Ann In Tent (Chair Mender) Ashstead, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Mehannah 1801 13 Sep Hezekiah & Hannah (She nee Draper) (Travelling Man) Sandhurst, Kent (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Mignonette 1897 8 Jan Joseph and Hannah (Labourer) St Michael, Barnes, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Nixi (Ref PAGE 110;  “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Quinasia 1842 17 Apr George & Isabella Of Shutford, (Gypsey) Hook Norton Oxfordshire
LOVELL Rose (Ref PAGE111; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Sampson 1903 28 Oct Joseph and Hannah (Labourer) St Michael, Barnes, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Samuel 1877 4 May William (deceased) & Mary Ann Chair caner St Trinity, Barnes, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL Sandi (Ref PAGE 87; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Savaina (Ref PAGE 77; 83; 99; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL Struddveras 26 Travelling Brazier Aldbourne Worc, Cinderella Lovell 20 Bath Somerset,
LOVELL William (Ref PAGE 116; “Gypsies in Britain” Author Brian Vesey-FitzGerald,  published late 1930s)
LOVELL William 1834 15 Aug Francis & Elizabeth (Tinman) , St John, Croydon, Surrey (Gypsies Passing Through)
LOVELL   Caroline   20   S   Barnes   Henry LEE   Horse dealer   AUSTINS John   1872 16 Sep   St Mary, Barnes, SRY
LOVELL/LOVELS Ambi(Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)
LOVELL/LOVELS Johnny(Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)
LOVELL/LOVELS Matilda(Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)
LOVELL/LOVELS Rose(Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)
LOVELL/LOVELS Savaina(Ref Journal of the Romany and Traveller Family History Society)

[welshspencer]

Thanks again Roser

Yes think I might have to get one of the other childrens Birth Certs, that will give me mums madian name. then if I can find a Marriage will bne able to get the cert, that will give me there fathers names.

[welshspencer]

Maybe henry in the 1871 censu could be under

 Lovel with one "L", and perhaps Livell and Levell too!

[Timber]

Have a look at  www.forest-of-dean.net
 there are 3 entries for Henry Lovell
Good hunting

[Darnity]

Hi Ricky

Yes he is the one on the 1901 in Canton and also the one that says he was born in cardiff, the family were Romany Gypsies  so they travelled well up and down the country.

You may know this already but the RTFHS (rtfhs.org.uk) have recently published two of their "Famous Romany Families" series which cover two of the LOVELL families:

The Family Tree of Major and Susanna LOVELL from about 1710 to about 1910, from most parts of England and some parts of Wales and Scotland.

The Family Tree of Daniel and Violetta LOVELL from about 1710 to about 1910, from most parts of England and several parts of Wales.

Hope this is useful.

[Tracey-anne]

  Just saying 'Hi'. I recently discovered my Roma ancestry so doing some research and ordering my nan's birth certificate for her parents' names. My grandmother was Ellen Whitby - her relatives were LOVELL Limpady & LOVELL Mignonette. (Gypsies Passing Through)

My nan was called Ellen Whitby before marrying a Wolstenholme, I think she was full Roma. Her mum was named Sinney Smith who married George Whitby. Sinny's parents were Jacob Smith & mother Matilda Capel.

My nan, Ellen, lived in Putney close to her siblings. I don't know any Roma history apart from what I've gathered via sites like these and genealogy links. Thank you. It's such a shame not to know the many stories and backgrounds of ancestors. It was never discussed and my mum Christine (Ellen's daughter) doesn't know anything either.