1831 and 1841 Census lookup please

[ricksmith]

Hi,

Can someone please lookup the following in the address in the 1831 and 1841 Census?

Either 6 or 8 Lancaster Street, Lewes, (St john sub castro).  the name should be LEVETT.

I am interesting in all people in the house whether or not they are of that name or not.

Kind regards
Rick

[sillgen]

Was there an 1831 census for Lewes?   I doubt it.   Sussex Family History Group might know if there is an index for the 1841 otherwise it means searching the film.  www.sfhg.org.uk   Lewes Record Office would help too. (Tel 01273 482349)
Andrea

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi there Rick & Sillgen

Firstly, Sillgen, yes there is a 1831 census for Lewes that still survives - quite a few places in Sussex kept copies of the census in the 'parish chest' e.g Ticehurst kept copies from 1801 onwards.

Rick, How are you, and you're still trying to find your Levetts.

The 1831 census for St John Sub Castro lists just 1 Levett

Edmund Levett, Labourer, 1 Family, 4 Males, 3 Females - but unfortunately no address.

Chris in 1066

[ricksmith]

Hi Chris,

Many, many thanks for that.  The LEVETTs are going slowly at this point in time mainly due to commitments elsewhere but I intend to make a bigger effort on them in the second half of this year.  If only I could find the link between John LEVETT in Sussex and John SMITH in Tasmania.  John LEVETT did come out here as a convict but no link has been found.

I assuming that the details mean Edmund plus wife Sarah and 4 male and 3 female children.  If it does then it fits nicely.

On a slightly off topic.  The wife Sarah was a GATES and she had an illigitimate child Stephen born 1798 in Lewes.  He married an Elizabeth ISLES at some stage.  She was born about 1800 in Sussex.  Would you be able to find them in the Census data please?  I have nothing more on them.

Kind regards
Rick

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi Rick

Nice to hear from you again

Found young Stephens baptism in the Registers of St john Sub Castro, Lewes

1690 Dec   7, Gates Sarah, f, Thomas, son of Anne         
1693 Apr   23, Gates   Richard, m, son of Thomas & Anne         
1695 Jan   31, Gates Thomas, son of Anne, OTP - born Friday "Mr Gates run away from his wife because he stole geese at Hamsey place about M... 16..."
1696 Feb   7, Gates Mary, f, dau of Thomas & Anne, OTP   
1768 Jan   17, Gates   George, m, son of Mary - a natural son of Mary
1781 Mar   2, Gates Ann, f, dau of Edward & Ann         
1784 Mar   19, Gates   Sarah, f, dau of Edward & Ann         
1798 Mar 28, Gates Stephen, m, son of Sarah - base born
1807 Nov   8, Gates Edmond, m, son of Thomas & Jane         
1816 Oct   13, Gates   Mercy, f, son of Thomas & Ruth, OTP, Cabinet Maker   
1837 Nov   12, Gates   Henry, m, s of Richard & Esther, OTP, Carpenter   
1842 Apr   17, Gates   Mary Anne, f, d of Thomas & mary Jane, St Marys lane, Shoe Maker   
1842 Apr   3, Gates Mary Jane, f, d of Mary Anne, St Johns St, Single Woman   

Looks like they were a strange lot - lots of single mums, husbands running off, etc

Chris in 1066

[Chris in 1066Land]

Rick

Here is that marriage from information in the Sussex Marriage index

Marriage :
Location: Hove, East Sussex,  Date:  8 May 1825:
Groom: Stephen GATES, bachelor of this parish
Bride: Elizabeth ILES, spinster, of this parish
Married by Banns

Chris in 1066
 

[Chris in 1066Land]

Rick

Just read your reply again

 "assuming that the details mean Edmund plus wife Sarah and 4 male and 3 female children.  If it does then it fits nicely."

The way I read it is that there were a total of 4 males and 3 females in the household including Edmund & Sarah - which means the children are 3 boys and 2 girls

Chris in 1066

[ricksmith]

Hi Chris,

Many thanks for that about Stephen Gates.  Now I can look on the Census and see what happened to them.

I was hoping that you would not say that about the Census.

Father:  Edmund died 1858.
Mother:  Sarah died 1848.

Children:
Thomas Vinall died 1820.
Sarah born 1810 in Lewes.  Know nothing more.
Mary born 1812 in Lewes.  Married 1834.
Edmund Ryder born 1814 in Lewes.  Married 1838.
William born 1861 in Lewes.  Did not marry.  Died in 1851.  Was still at Lancaster Street.
Elizabeth born 1819.  Had child when unmarried in 1843.  Was still at Lancaster Street.
John born 1821.  Lived at Lancaster Street until sent to Australia.
Thomas Gates born 1823. Married 1846.  Still at Lancaster Street.

So that gives me 5 males and 4 females.  So 1 male and 1 female must have been elsewhere at the time of the Census.  At a rough guesss it could be Edmund and Sarah.

I need to look further.

Many thanks.

Kind regards
Rick

[Chris in 1066Land]

Rick

These are the burials from Sub Castro during that period - do any of them appear in this register

1804   September   23   Gates   Edward   m      64      
1816   July   21   Gates   James   m      79      576
1826   February   6   Gates   Dorothy   f      88   OTP   576
1826   July   9   Gates   Edward   m      3      
1829   April   26   Gates   Ann   f      83                  
1844   November   17   Gates   Cordelia   f   High St   36   OTP               
1846   July   12   Gates   Thomas   m   Lancaster St   27   OTP               
1853   December   14   Gates   Edward   m      3         Grandson, Unmarried      West St   St John sub Castro, Lewes
1854   August   29   Gates   Thomas   m   Poor House   79   All Saints      Pauper   Cabinet maker jm   Union House   Lewes
1857   February   5   Gates   Jane   f   Poor House   91   All Saints      Pauper, Married   Cabinet makers Wife   Union House   Newick
1861   October   21   Gates   William   m      33         Son-in-law, Married   Bootmaker Master   West St   All Saints, Lewes
1865   June   7   Gates   James   m      50                  
1879   May   20   Gates   Sarah Ellen   f      0.1   OTP               
1905   September   26   Gates   William   m      50   All Saints               
1908   February   17   Gates   Charlotte   f   23 Chatham Place   56   Brighton               
1930   April   30   Gates   Ethel Rosemary   f   22 North St   0.2   OTP               
1932   July   12   Gates   Ruth   f   13 Toronto Terrace   60   OTP               
1935   June   8   Gates   George   m   12 Toronto Terrace   66   OTP               

Chris in 1066