Thomas BLOOMFIELD - Victoria

[wimbush1975]

Hi thanks for all that, so  im not sure who to list as her parents, im only guess what year they were born. the agnes bloomfield i found on that ship is born 1846 you have the other one born 1833? i have listed these other children born to william and agnes william george 1865, Elizabeth Jane 1867 Frances 1869, Charles 1871, are these from the maria ada parents? so are you saying there could be 2 lots of people with the same names?
i need help, now dont know which way to go, take everything off and start again.. If i could only find the georgina ada cummings birth record dont want to go buying wrong certs
 wendy

[wimbush1975]

i can only find one agnes bloomfield coming to vic in 1855 age 9 thats why i thought it was her, she might not be the right one, maybe the one you have being born in 1831 is the right one, but i cant find her coming to vic?? didnt think there would be heaps names agnes bloomfield??

[cando]

During the period of the goldrush in Victoria many unassisted passengers were listed on ships' manifests as X number of passengers.  Two of my ancestors arrived in South Australia and one travelled overland and the other by sea, to Melbourne.  Another of my ancestors arrived in Sydney and I have no idea how he travelled to Melbourne.

Agnes's age was 33 ie b. 1831 on the marriage cert and father William and mother Elizabeth MURRAY born Edinburgh, Scotland. 

so are you saying there could be 2 lots of people with the same names?   No it doesn't look like it from the indexes. 

All you have to do is purchase the images of one or two of the other births to this couple. Lots of identifying information -

From Victorian Resources at top of board.
Births 
 Date and place of birth;
 name of child and whether present or not;
 name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
 occupation of parents;
 ages and birthplace of parents;
 date and place of marriage of parents;
 previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
 signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
 names of witnesses;
 date and place of registration.

I don't know whether you noted that the Margaret BLOOMFIELD whose marriage and chn had been posted on this thread, was born in Belfast, Ireland with father James and mother Fanny.

I think Jenn noted in reply#1 that she shouldn't couldn't really pick up the family in Victoria.

Do you have any other documentation that indicates that Agnes's father is Thomas.


Cheers
Cando
 

[wimbush1975]

I just bought the maria ada cummings birth cert lists her bday 4 apr 1875 3 siblings dead and sister jane 7 william came from durham england he was a labourer, maybe by the time she married in 1895 he was a grocer? this must be her just dont know why theres no georgina listed and its maria, i know my ggrandmother was named diff at her baptism to her birth

[cando]

Wendy I have just received an email from the lady who has the image of the cert.  Evidently the original registration page is damaged but the part of the page that has the CUMMINGS/BLOOMFIELD marriage is OK.The writing is spidery and  age could be either 23 or 33, but it definitely states the parents are William BLOOMFIELD, Baker and Elizabeth MURRAY and Agnes was b. Edinburgh Scotland.

I am listing the registrations of both the births and deaths of the chn of Wm CUMMINGS and Agnes BLOOMFIELD - only ones on the indexes to 1888.

I have transcribed the names exactly as on the indexes...there are obvious mistrancriptions of the BLOOMFIELD name.

Birth
CUMMINGS William George
Father William  Mother Agnes BLOOMFIELD
At Melbourne 1865  Reg#9976

Death
CUMMINGS William
Father William Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
1 year born Carlton  1866  Reg#8449

Birth
CUMMINGS Elizabeth Jane
Father William  Mother Agnes BLOOMFIELD
At Melbourne  1867  Reg#9734

Birth
CUMMINGS Frances
Father William  Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
At Melbourne  1869  Reg#23375

Death
CUMMINGS Frances
Father William  Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
11 months  born Hotham  1870  Reg#7228
 
Birth
CUMMINGS Charles
Father William  Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
At Hotham 1871  Reg#17994

Death
CUMMINGS Charles
Father William  Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
3 years  born Hotham  1874  Reg#11088
 
Birth
CUMMINGS Ada Maria
Father William  Mother Agnes BLOOMFIELD
At Hotham  1875  Reg#10660
 
Only marriage I can see on the indexes for an Elizabeth Jane CUMMINGS -

CUMMINGS Elizabeth Jane  b. Carlton
REEVE Mark b. South Yarra
1891  Reg#1538

and her death

REEVE Elizabeth Jane
Father Cummings Wm  Mother Agnes BROOMFIELD
25 years  at Richmond   1892  Reg#11797
 

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

I have done a quick search of the larger cemeteries in Melbourne for Wm's burial record in 1906.  I thought he may have been at Fawkner or Melbourne General but no, he is at Springvale
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php

CUMMINGS  William    
Date of Service 10 May 1906      
Burial Type - Burial    
Location Details -  Please contact Administration on (03) 8558 8278    
Public Grave  Yes    
Tenure Date -   This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Wendy perhaps she didn't like Ada and changed her name.  Wish I could find Agnes BLOOMFIELD's death.  Do you know where she died?

Cheers
Cando

[wimbush1975]

i have no idea when and where she died goin to be a hard on to find she may of gone to nsw as thats were georgina ada went? Do u know how agnes bloomfield and william cummings came to vic? Is that lady any relation 2 who im lookin at?

[cando]

No - no relation -  my contact was searching the BLOOMFIELD name but none of them were of related to her line.

I can't see William or Agnes in the passenger records. 

The only descendants of Wm CUMMINGS and Agnes BLOOMFIELD would the children of Georgina Ada/Maria. I see there is one birth in 1896 in Vic.  I can't see any other births in Victoria.

There are no births to Elizabeth Jane and Mark REEVE.

Georgina and husband Richard BARNES were in Perth by the 1916 electoral roll.  She was on the roll as Ada Georgina.  Richard was a hairdresser.

Georgina  Ada and husband Richard Sydney DENNIS were still in WA by the 1936 electoral rolls.  I would think that Agnes was deceased by then   I have searched the Vic, SA, WA and NSW deaths and can't see a reg for her.

I wonder if the death certificate of William CUMMINGS would be helpful.

Bedtime for me.

Cheers
Cando