Anne Foulkes mpn

[Indigogirl]

Hi,

This abbreviation appears after the mothers surname on a baptism record for Jane Williams.

If mpn is married previous nmae and mmn is mothers maiden name  -does mpn imply the name is not necessarily a maiden name and could be a name from a previous marriage?

Indigogirl

[Paul]

Hello,
Ive seen a few baptism records and Ive never seen that
It has to be worth looking for a previous marriage.

Post some details and I'll help if I can.

Paul.

[Indigogirl]

Thanks,
Its from the Wern Indep Chapel on the Blackwell index (which I have just bought)

[maidmarion]

Hi
I was given a printout of some of the Wern baptisms a while ago and have just taken a look at them for you.
Nearly all the baptisms have (mpn: surname) which must suggest it means maiden name, as I doubt all of the mothers mentioned would have been married more than once  

Hope this helps,
maidmarion

[wilcoxon]

The original entry reads ;
Entry No 467.
Jane the daughter of John Williams Labourer  Bersham and Ann his wife formerly Foulkes by Rev W Williams.

Born 25 Nov 1827 bapt 6 Jan 1828.

They also seem to have  sons William b 15 July 1831, and Moses born 10 June 1833.
Address varies from Bersham for Jane,  Pant Y Garw for William and Esclusham Above for Moses.

 Hope this helps.

[Indigogirl]

Hi,

Maidmarion - Well spotted that all the others were also mpn. Its particular to those entries as other records do make a distinction.
Wilcoxon-thanks. (You helped me before with the location of what turned out to be Pant y garn on Plas Drain rd.) 

Its a bit of a leap but is there a general rule about wives moving to the chapel of their husbands? There are a few other Foulkes baptised at Wern and I wondered if their parents might be siblings of Anne? I know this is a wild assumption but...

AND- if Wern chapel was erected in 1807 where might the likely chapel/church predecessor be for Bersham residents? I was looking for potential bapts of either John Williams or Anne Foulkes both c 1805.

AND- might this tip into a time before non-conformists were as prominent? Should I be looking at either Ruabon or Wrexham PR's?

Sorry, lots to go at there..

[wilcoxon]

Have you found the marriage of John and Ann.
I  believe that before 1837 a marriage had take place in  a Church to be considered  legal , in the eyes of the  law.
Problem  is, I `m sure there were many couples that went through some sort of a ceremony in a Chapel who didn`t care a monkeys.

Minera, Ruabon and Wrexham ( which covered Minera at that time ) would be worth a look.

[maidmarion]

Hi
Lots of my ancestors were non conformist from the  Minera/Bersham area, some using Wern and later the chapels in the Wesleyan circuit for that area.

Sorry but I am unsure if wives would move to the chapel of their husbands, I think most of mine either attended the same chapel or met at chapel 

There were some non conformist chapels in Wrexham prior to 1800 and some records appear to have survived
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Wrexham/index.html

[Indigogirl]

Hi Wilcoxon- I did check the Ruabon PR's when I managed to visit Wrexham last year and couldnt find anything so maybe Wrexham is a better bet

Maidmarion- Yes, I imagine there is a bit of a birds flocking together thing that means people meet at chapel and therefore marry within. Inevitably no hard and fast rules tho. I'll have to see what I can find in the Wrexham non conformists too

Thanks