"Noble" help needed from noble rootschatters!

[cockney rebel]

This is a brickwall I`ve been hammering at for many years now.

Where is the NOBLE family in 1841 and 1851?

In 1834 they are in Cardiff :

James Noble ,gentleman ,
Ann(e) , his wife ,born circa 1805.Thea marry in Llywel in 1825.Her father is David Walter Powell , her uncle is Walter Powell (he dies in 1824) ,attorney in the township of Brecon and owner of the Clydach ironworks.
William George Noble ,son,born 1831 Cardiff
Margaret Anne Noble , daughter , born 1833 Cardiff.

James Noble dies before 1850.
The family is NOT in Glamorgan in 1841/51 but William is there from 1861 Census onwards.His sister marries in London in 1850.
       
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Has anyone got census transcripts of any part of Wales where they could check the name Noble? There couldn`t be a lot of them in Wales at that time,I would have though.
Powell is a nightmare surname and I haven`t been down that path although perhaps David Walter is a little more uncommon than David William!

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It`s only 4 generations back but I am so stuck.How many years will I have to wait before someone like Ancestry has all the early censii online and I can find them through cross referencing?

PLease ,please, and pretty please ,check any transcripts you have for these names.
They must turn up somewhere.

Thanks ,

from a distressed,

cockney rebel

[D ap D]

Hi Cockney Rebel,

have you tried the trades / historical directories? With there being an owner of the iron works and an attorney in there, I would think there is bound to be a mention of them there.

It is linked elsewhere, but here it is anyway if you've not already tried it:

www.historicaldirectories.org

It takes a while to load, but it is worth it.

D

[audrey]

Hi
when I put the name Noble in to search Wales  on the BVRI it only came up with this spelling  KNABLES and there was only one family

Ann Knables chris 4/5/1769 at Hammer Flint Wales
father John Knables
mother Ann Knables
audrey

[cockney rebel]

Thanks for your answers.
Knables for Noble is a new one on me , but it`s certainly a variant worth bearing in mind.

As for you,D ap D , after I tried your link yesterday ,Thursday just disappeared!I did indeed find some references which look quite exciting,... I`m still following through... and as the site provides London directories as well, I found even more relevant stuff!

You`re right , the site is a little slow, but I find trying to search directories and similar at Ancestry much worse.
Thanks for your help.

rebel

[Lloydy]

I have just had a look through both my 1851 and 1861 Montgomeryshire CD's and there are no NOBLE listed on either.

Jan

[Gardener]

Hi. Do you have Walter Powell's will?

Will of Walter Powell, Attorney at Law of Brecon , Breconshire 15 December 1824 PROB 11/1693
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/

And Pigot's 1830 directory has a James Noble listed under Cardiff,Llandaff and Neighbourhoods as "corn and provisions factors, Noble James & Co, Wharf
Same company is under Timber merchants too, same address
And Millers.

[cockney rebel]

Wow!
Things are moving!

Yes , I do have the will , which not only gave me a lot of info on the Powell side , but also told me how many different people you can leave one silver teaspoon to.
James Noble marries into the family in 1825,so he`s not mentioned.

That`s the first mention I can find of him.
His marriage licence says he is a gentleman ,of full age and upwards , and that`s it.
He is " deceased "( but still with a profession of gentleman!!) on his daughter`s marriage certificate ( London 1850).

The last mention of him on the ISYS library site is 1835.
He`s missing too from directories from the 1850s.

If I could find his widow and son in 1841/1851 (Ann born c 1805 and William George (1831) I could at least perhaps narrow down WHERE he might have died and thus find a reference for a death certificate ( I gave up guessing after4 wrong tries..it`s just too expensive).

Crossing off Montgomery is a big help , the list gets shorter ,thankyou.

The search continues...

Rebel

[D ap D]

Just had another thought - have you tried the NBI? Glamorgan has the best coverage in Wales, with a thin coverage in Brecon and Radnor. That might also give you a couple more places either to discount or reconsider.

I'm sure someone will do a look up if you ask nicely. (Sorry I can't, as the counties I'm interested in still aren't covered - so I didn't buy the CD).

D

[cockney rebel]

I`ve got an older edition of the NBI , he`s not on that..

Do you know , I have NEVER found anyone I`ve been chasing on the NBI.
I`ve often wondered ,late at night,if all those names have come out of `phone books and the dates are just the last digits of the telephone number next to them.

Still , I bought my copy second hand for a fiver,so I`m not really complaining...it`s just despair!

Rebel