POWELL & GREGORY families

[RebeccaNZ]

Hi

this family certainly is a muddled one, with all the surnames inter-locking for whatever the reason.

I asked about the marriage incase Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell herself did indeed have a child out of wedlock who then went on to have Alice out of wedlock - therefore making Alice Maude infact the grandaughter of Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell.

Wendy

Wow, that is a really good point ...

I never thought about that. It depends which one of them couldn't have children ...

Now, just to find a marriage record for Robert and Mary ....  Yes, this family is soooo muddled.
Mary, Philip and Elizabeth are Maria Evan's step children ... Amelia Powell her only child to another Philip Powell. Maria must have remarried Edwards Evans sometime late 1860's.

The strangest thing is that someone else researching the same Powell family has ordered a few birth certificates for Elizabeth and Philip but none of them are the correct certificates .... We can't find any record for Philip Powell (father of Mary, Philip, Eliz and Amelia) anywhere!!

They are a really hard family to trace

[osprey]

1861 Severn(?) Rd, Canton, Cardiff RG9/4038 folio 52 pg 53
Philip Powell head mar 39 excavator b. Glos, Woolaston
Maria wife 25 b. Somerset, Wilton (?)
Mary dau 9 b. Merthyr
Philip son 5 b. Cardiff
Eliza dau 3 b. Mon, Newport
Amelia dau 2 months b. Glam, Canton

possible marriage reg
Philip Powell june qtr 1861 Cardiff vol 11a pg 290 with Maria Pugsley on the same page
In 1851, there's a Maria Pugsley of the right age born Somerset whose father is a railway lab in Resolven HO107/2463 folio 308 pg 

possible birth regs
Amelia Powell june qtr 1861 Cardiff vol 11a pg 247
Eliza Powell june qtr 1858 Newport M vol 11a pg 173


can't see a death reg for Philip or a remarriage for Maria

 

[Spidermonkey]

Ouch!  My head is spinning with this (fascinating!) family!

Have I got this right......

Maria (poss Pugsley) marries Phillip Powell by 1861. 

Phillip already has children Mary, Philip and Eliza.  Philip and Maria have Amelia.

Philip dies (?) by 1871 because Maria is with Edward Evans.

Living with Maria and Edward are Maria's step children, daughter from first marriage and twins (?) from second marriage.

Also living with Maria and Edward is a set of lodgers, one of whom marries one of Maria's step children.

Robert and Mary can't have children, but adopt sundry nieces and nephews.

Wow. 

Robert and his brother (?) were in the workhouse as children.  I wonder if his experiences there prompted him to adopt children?

[osprey]

Yup, that's about it!

I've found some baptisms that may confirm in part, all IGI batch 056751 St John's canton

Amelia Rosina Powell bp 7/6/1874 in Canton dau of Philip & Mary? No other Amelia Powell registered around this time

twins
Edward Richard & Maria Jane Evans bp 12/10/1869 children of Edward & Maria

so birth regs
Edward Richard Evans & Maria Jane dec qtr 1869 Cardiff vol 11a pg 222
the mother's former names on these may be interesting

In 1901 Edward is in Gelligaer RG13/5022 folio 86 pg 4 with family and a nephew   Charles Powell 19 born Penarth. Son of Philip junior?

1881 the twins are with the Gregorys and there are possible death regs for Maria & Edward
Maria Evans 34 march qtr 1874 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 262
Edward Evans 34 june qtr 1872 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 193
or Edward Evans 36 dec qtr 1875 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 206

I'm fairly sure about the Maria Pugsley as her birth place looks to be Wootton Courtenay or variant in census entries and she's in Wootton Courtenay in 1841.

As Philip senior was a navvy, he may have been killed at work, but there should be a registration somewhere. There are Powells in Woolaston, Glos but can't see a baptism for Philip
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

 

[Spidermonkey]

It would be interesting to find Philip senior on 1851, but at the moment he seems to be elusive.  There is a Philip Powell on 1841 in Lydney, but nothing conclusive.

[Spidermonkey]

I thought that perhaps [Rose] Amelia had died which is why Robert and Mary had adopted Blodwen, but in 1891:

28 Morgan St, Llanwonno

Charles E Cousins  H  Mar  29  Coal miner  bn Llanwonno
Rose A Cousins  W  Mar  29  bn Cardiff
Edwin Cousins  son  5  bn Llanwonno
James H Cousins  son  3  bn Llanwonno
Gladys Cousins  dau  7 mnths  bn Llanwonno
Harriett Powell  sister in law  single  26  bn Cardiff
Phillip Powell nephew  2mnths  bn Llanwonno
John Brigstoke  boarder  single  51  compositor  bn Carmarthenshire

RG12; Piece: 4414; Folio 49; Page 15

[Spidermonkey]

Hmmmmm, have a look at this census entry  RG10; Piece: 5382; Folio: 84; Page: 12 for Harriet Powell Blunt.  Seems to be with her aunt, Elizabeth Mason bn Whitton Courtney

[osprey]

I think I may have found another sister!

marriage reg
Charles Edwin Cousins sept qtr 1884 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 627 with Rosanna Amelia Powell on the same page
(names other way round from baptism)

1891 28 Morgan St, Llanwonno RG12/4414 folio 49 pg 15
Charles E Cousins head mar 29 coal miner b. Llanwonno
Rose A wife 29 b. Cardiff
Edwin son 5 b. Llanwonno
James H son 3 b. Llanwonno
Gladys dau 7 months b. Llanwonno
Harriett Powell sister-in-law single 26 b. Cardiff
Philip Powell nephew son 2 months b. Llanwonno
John Brigstock boarder single 51 compositor b. Carmarthen

birth reg
Philip Powell march 1891 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 498a

So she's a candidate for mother of Alice Maude, but where was she earlier?

birth reg
Harriett Powell march qtr 1864 Cardiff vol 11a pg 248

another 2 baptisms in IGI batch C056751
Harriett bp 24/1/1864 dau of Philip & Maria
Charles Mason bp 22/4/1866 son of Philip & Maria

 

sorry posts crossed, took me ages to type while watching tennis!

[Spidermonkey]

Could Harriet be missing Powell sibling?  In 1891 she has a child out of wedlock.  Perhaps she previously had Alice?

Edited to add:  Osprey !  Great minds