POWELL & GREGORY families

[RebeccaNZ]

HI


Fascinating!  Not sure if this is the same family of Blunt but on Ancestry's latest database I found that on trial date of  1st March 1842 in Glouc'

Edward Blunt age 51 having being tried for larceny Alexander Blunt age 31        ""                      ""

both were found not guilty

And then to match for what you have for Philip Blunt same date and also for larceny but he was as you also found was found guilty and was noted for transportation 7 years.

Wendy

Thanks Wendy,

Yes, you did find the right record and family, thanks 

[osprey]

Australian board might be able to help with the transportation bit. It would explain why he can't be found later. Still might be worth asking for a look-up at the archives to check the sentence was carried out.

  

[RebeccaNZ]

Thanks, I will do that 

[RebeccaNZ]

Just an update:

Philip Powell really is Philip Blunt afterall 

We found this out after ordering the birth certificates for Mary Blunt and Eliza Powell.

And even more shocking - there was no first wife. Maria Puglsey was the mother of all the children although she was alot younger than Philip  and would have been a teenager when the oldest were born not to mention they did not marry till 1861 

Philip and Mary Powell's birth were registered as Blunt and then Eliza was registered as a Powell  We are still trying to find out the cause of the name change at about 1858 ...

Anyway - it doesn't look like Philip was transported after all because he is not (so far) on any of the convict ships lists but I am still trying to find out what happened to him between 1842 - 1851.

I was wondering if anyone on this forum might be able to offer some advice about finding a death ceritificate for Philip Powell/Blunt though.

We have searched and searched to no avail. The Philip Powell death cert from Brecknock is an 18 month old baby ...

He definately died around 1867 because he is stated as deceased on his son's death certificate from the same year.

Wasn't it illegal to no register a death?

It's so mysterious that there is no death certificate ... 

Rebecca 

[osprey]

Glad to know you're making progress. Now, why didn't that occur to us when we couldn't find an earlier marriage? 

As for the lack of death reg, not so much illegal, as, in theory, the burial couldn't take place without a death certificate.  If he was working away from home, he may have been registered as 'unknown'. If you search on FreeBmd with unknown as the surname, you'll see just how many there are.

I've got 2 instances of the same sort of thing in my tree where I cannot find a death registration. One of them could have been anywhere in the UK or even beyond, so short of ordering every cert for that particular name as it's before ages appear in the index, I'm stuck. His widow never remarried. The other one I have on the 1881 census and his widow remarries 10 months later, but no sign of the registration. I hope it's one that didn't make it from the local office to the GRO.

 

[RebeccaNZ]

Hi osprey,

you might be right, he could have been registered as unknown that might explain why we can't find a death registration ...

Thanks,

Rebecca 

[RebeccaNZ]

Another update -

I asked GRO to check the birth certificates for the Alice Powells born in Pontypridd 1889 - 1890 and Harriett Powell did not turn out to be the mother of either.

So, I think that rules out Harriett as Alice Maud's mother. I might just order both those certificates anyway just to see if there is any connection.

I am considering that Maria Evans is her mother now - because I noticed that there are a few Alice Maud and Alice Evans born in Pontypridd and Glamorgan.

I made another post about finding Maria on 1891 census just to check where she was living because I have not been able to find her so far.

So back to square one ... 

Rebecca 

[osprey]

thought we'd found a possible death reg for Maria, back in reply 21

Maria Evans 34 march qtr 1874 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 262

 

[osprey]

Sorry, just read your other post and I've mixed up the Marias.