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Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« on: Sunday 05 July 09 22:58 BST (UK) »
Dear Friends, Anything will be most appreciated!!

My Great Great Grandparents came from the city of Dublin
 
Laurence Byrne b circa 1811 married Catherine................
in........................
They had at least one child names Catherine Byrne b circa 1849
 
Circa 1850 /1860 they left Ireland for Liverpool England
Profesionaly    Laurence-Taylor  Catherine -dressmaker
I have been trying for years without  finding anything.
Most appreciated ,Joe Walker San Antonio Texas aged 71
 

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 July 09 23:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Joe,

Welcome to RootsChat,

I presume that you have the 1861 census at 85 Rose Place, Liverpool (sharing a house with William and Mary A. Edwards and family) that fits your description of Laurence and Catherine but there are no children with them.

RG9:2650:F111:P49

[Oops sorry, wrong ref, I think it should be RG9:2650:F111:P1, page number was missing so I calculated from prev. page but later numbers suggest a new book started here]
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 July 09 23:43 BST (UK) »
Yes Thank you Dudley i have them in the Lancashire 1861 & 1871 cENSUSES.
pOSSIBLY cATHERINE & ANY other children are out on their own. joe

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 July 09 00:03 BST (UK) »
If the 1871 is the one in Manchester, still no evidence of any children. 
RG10:4052:F62:P49

There were at least three or four Laurence and Catherine Byrnes having children in Dublin in the 1860s (if you look at the IGI on the FamilySearch site), so what makes you think that this couple are the parents of your Catherine? 

Do you have any other documents that link one or other of these census addresses to the daughter?

McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 July 09 13:13 BST (UK) »
hi ive been doin a bit of snooping , ive a list of byrne material , found this on the web six months ago . http://dorothy1104.tripod.com/id23.html i hope thats right !
laurence byrne - catherine MOORE 28 august 1842 st andrews dublin .
hope this is your guy and moll . regards rob
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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 July 09 19:41 BST (UK) »
Quote from: DudleyWinchurch on Monday 06 July 09 00:03 BST (UK)
If the 1871 is the one in Manchester, still no evidence of any children. 
RG10:4052:F62:P49

There were at least three or four Laurence and Catherine Byrnes having children in Dublin in the 1860s (if you look at the IGI on the FamilySearch site), so what makes you think that this couple are the parents of your Catherine? 

Do you have any other documents that link one or other of these census addresses to the daughter?
 Thanks Dudley! Catherine the mother (misspelt in the 1881 Census as Catherine Burns)
is living with the family. From this I deducted her birth year, researched previous English Censuses and only one matches the birthdate and she just happened to be with Laurence Byrne. It has however troubled me that I have only one child, which struck me as strange for an irish couple of that period.
It now looks that we have a possible marriage 1n 1842 so there could have been more children before the daughter Catherine born in 1849.
Your opinions and comments are valued. I am open to any alternative.Thanks Joe

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 July 09 19:44 BST (UK) »
Quote from: obbie on Monday 06 July 09 13:13 BST (UK)
hi ive been doin a bit of snooping , ive a list of byrne material , found this on the web six months ago . http://dorothy1104.tripod.com/id23.html i hope thats right !
laurence byrne - catherine MOORE 28 august 1842 st andrews dublin .
hope this is your guy and moll . regards rob
ope it
Thank you Rob- looks like it would be a perfect fit. I hope it is the one!!Joe

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 July 09 20:56 BST (UK) »
Sorry Joe,

I was just trying to work out the process by which your Catherine would belong to the apparently childless couple, Laurence and Catherine Byrne, but I was obviously missing some steps.

So I take it that the Catherine, born 1849, that we are looking for is Catherine Walker (nee Byrne) and that you have her marriage cert. showing that her father is Laurence Byrne, a tailor. 

From the 1881, the mother is Catherine, born about 1823 in Ireland.

Is this correct?
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: Cityof Dublin-kind assistance is needed
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 01:47 BST (UK) »
Dudley, All that is correct.
So far  I have used 1822 as Catherine's birth year.
I also checked all of the other Lawrence and Laurence Byrnes in the Liverpool area
and none were married to a Catherine.
The 1811 Laurence and the 1822 Catherine were the only ones who fitted my search.
If Catherine was Catherine Moore she would have been about 20 years when she married in Dublin 1842, which also looks promising!

What chances are there of finding Catherine Moores birth year and of finding any of their possible children born 1842-1849? Catherine Byrne my Great Grandmother was also born in Dublin c1849.
Do   you know anything of St.Andrews Church in Dublin?
Your kind interest in my searcg is most appreciated. Regards from San Antonio, Joseph Walker
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