1911 census - puzzled

[welshjo]

I've located my great grandparents and their children on the 1911 census.
They have recorded that they have been married for 18 years.
That 12 children were born alive and that 8 are still alive and 4 have died.
Listed in the household with the parents are a total of 8 sons and daughter.
However my grandfather and his sister always used to refer to an older brother - being the oldest sibling - who is not mentioned within the names listed but its is known did not died until after about 1950s. He also was not present with the father in 1901 either and I haven't been able to find him at all.

Any thoughts

Also any ideas where to start with looking for the ones that died - the surname is JONES !

[PaulineJ]

Can you list the household(s) from both census?

Pauline

[DudleyWinchurch]

The child mortality questions specifically related to the current marriage.

If there had been an earlier marriage of either or both parents then any children from that marriage should not have been counted, although they should have been listed if they were still in the same household.

[DudleyWinchurch]

Sorry WelshJo, missed the second part of the question.

Are the family very consistent with their address?

I would think that your best bet is to try and find baptisms of those children that can be easily identified, and then see if there were more to the same parents at the same church. 

From that you might be able to identify the correct registrations, especially if you can find a helpful local registrar who will check parent's names/ addresses etc. without charging extra.

[welshjo]

1911 census 21 Duffryn Row, Maesteg

John Jones 41
Susannah Jones 36
Edgar Jones 17
Aneurin Jones 15
Lorenzo Jones 14
Geraldis Jones 10
Mary Catherine Jones 9
Emlyn Jones 8
Oswald Jones 8
Arthur Wynford Jones 5
plus 2 boarders - Daniel Jones 28 and Mary Elizabeth Jones 25

I don't have the 1901 to hand but they were at the same address or at least same street with Edgar, Aneurin, Lorenzo. Geraldis and Mary Catherine as a small baby.

Dont think Emlyn and Oswald were twins - no-one ever mentioned that when the names of the brothers have ever been discussed - though there are I believe some sets of twins in the next generation down.

The missing brother who would have been born approx 1892ish was called David John Jones.

Any thoughts or help would be gratefully appreciated.

Regards

[welshjo]

Family don't seem to have been big on baptisms - records for local church where graves for some of the family are, have been transcribed up to 1901 and no names are present. I've also try some other smaller chapels etc which have been transcribed and no luck there either.

[PaulineJ]

Just that with 4 deceased children mentioned at 1911 there isn't a great deal of opportunity for many births between the surviving kids, looking at the name/age list.

Pauline

[DudleyWinchurch]

Parents don't seem to have been too accurate about ages either, having looked at a few of the more unusual ones.  The older children all seem to have lost a couple of years.

Most seem to have been registered in Holywell Registration district but couldn't find all.

Do you have mother's maiden name (is it Parry)?

If they were at the same address from 1901 to 1911, it makes it easier to find certs, if you have a sympathetic registrar.

[welshjo]

Think they were all registered in Bridgend or Neath.
Mothers maiden name was Williams.
Couple of them possibly known by middle names.

Eg. Aneurin - who died in Feb 1916 aged 19 was registered at death as Albert Aneurin.