Street family - again!!

[johnbarr]

Further to topic # 386489.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386489

We have now received the Birth Cert of George Street, born 24th Sept 1854 at Nettlebed, Henley. Mother's name is shown as Mary Ann Street - no other name shown, so possibly her maiden name.

HarryW and jillruss could find no sign of the birth on Henley PR.

Can anyone advise if it is likely the birth was not recorded on PR as there was no father? Or any other suggestions?

We have no confirmed record of him from birth in 1854 until marriage in NZ in 1896.

[HarryW]

As clarification:

The Nettlebed PR transcript finishes at 1853.

Jillruss found a GRO reference and also checked the Henley PR (more than one church) transcripts.   

There was a possiblity that he had been born in Ipsden, but he does not appear in the PR transcript.

I think you will need someone to look at the original PR.

Harry

[johnbarr]

Thanks for your reply, Harry.
Sorry for my confusion - these placenames are all new to me - but looking on Google maps it seems Nettlebed (clearly marked on Birth Cert) is quite a distance from Ipsden.
Did you mean I should try to get someone to check original Nettlebed PR for any listings in Sept. 1854 - as transcriptions on CD had finished in 1853

[HarryW]

Hi John,

Yes, I think a check of the original book is your only way forward.   It will be a case of someone who is going into the Oxfordshire Records Office being able to look for you (assuming the originals are there - not all are).


Harry

[jillruss]

I've just had another look at your original thread, where you say that George was possibly born in Nettlebed and that his parents were Thomas and Mary Ann. But later, you say that Mary Ann's maiden name may have been Street! 

So, I'm a bit confused (doesn't take much!).

Can I ask if you can go back to the information you have about George Street that you know for sure? Is it possible that the Nettlebed chap isn't yours at all?

I notice on the 1881 census on Family Search that there is a family living in Cookham, Berkshire (not that far from Nettlebed, Henley):

RG 11 1316/19 Page 9

Thomas Street  Head Married age 58 born Cookham, ag lab
Mary Street, wife Married  age 55 born Bankside, Surrey charwoman
George Street, son unmarried  age 23 born Cookham, ag lab

This George would have a birthdate of c. 1858 - is he too young to be yours?

Jill

[johnbarr]

Hi Jill and Harry.
Thanks for your help.

Original post was based on George's Marriage Cert and a handwritten note from an elderly now deceased relative. MC stated his parents were Thomas and Mary Ann (nee Barrett) and the note gave these names as well as born 23.09.1854 in Nettlebed. So data in note and MC probably came from George himself, and may not be accurate

Previous thread suggested that possibly the mother was a single woman living in a workhouse with son George and two other children in UK Census of 1861, as there did not appear to be any other George born 1854 living with parents Thomas and Mary Ann in 1861. Of course, it's possible they may have traveled to NZ before then, but we've been unable to find him on any passenger list either.

There is also a George Street born 1854 in Ipsden showing as a lodger in 1871 Census which could be him.

So we ordered the Birth Cert hoping to get confirmation or new data.
Date on Birth Cert was 24.09.1854 (i.e. within one day of previous information) and mother was listed simply as Mary Ann Street with no maiden name given, or father details. So was she married? There appears to be no record of marriage Thomas Street to Mary Ann Barrett.

So Birth Cert does not confirm if his Mum was single or married. We think if he had no father, he may have 'invented' one when asked for parent details at his wedding, and they may not be genuine. So if someone is able to check original PR we'd be very grateful. 

[Timetraveller77]

Hello helpers of the George and Mary Ann Street query.

I am the Great granddaughter of George Street, and have been working with Johnbar to help trace this line of my ancestry. Tonight I was online searching the Henley workhouse where Mary Ann and her son George were in 1861. No records for that year appear.

I also checked for deaths by her name, and only came up with two likely dates/places. 1873 (age 38) Easthampstead, Birkshire or 1898 age 61 Islington, London. Not very solid leads sadly.

I am hoping we can find Mary Ann's birth cert. I tried FreeBMD but had no luck, as I only have her estimated birth year (1836) and know she lived and worked in Henley, Nettlebed. But again we don't know where she was born for sure.

Can anyone suggest a way to find this family please?

[DebbieG]

Hi and welcome   

Can I just ask where the 1861 census gives as Mary Anns birthplace?  I can't immeadiatly find it - or what is the reference so I can take a look.

To confirm what John thought - that birth certificate with no father named and no maiden name for the mother would mean that the mother was unmarried and the child illegitimate

DebbieG

[DebbieG]

Ok - I found it.  It gives her place of birth as Peppard,  I think this should be Rotherfield Peppard (not far from Henley)  I will see what else I can find

 

DebbieG