Archibald Young

[Templar75]

I am looking to where my great grandfather may have come from, he was Archibald Young and was married to Elizabeth Coutts, I was told he played for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club so he must have been local, the Club historian would not help as he needed to know where he came from and the date of birth, my father said that he was an unamed player in some of the team photos.

My grand father was George Young born around 1891, as far as I know they were both Miners, my grand father married Elizabeth McDaid in 1914 at Newcraighall where he was a Miner and he died around 1939/40.

Unfortunately the older ones never spoke much of the past which is a great pity, Archibald Young would have still been alive I think when his son George was married.

Any help with this would be most appreciated.

Archie.

[MonicaL]

Hi Archie

This looks a likely entry for the family on the 1901 Census - everyone showing as born in Lasswade except for Lizzie mother:

Archibald S Young 38 coal miner
Lizzie Young 37 b. Dalkeith, Midloth
James Young 18 coal miner
Annie Young 14
Nellie Young 12
George Young 10
Jessie Young 7
Bella Young 5
Robert Young 3

Address: 13 First Avenue, Newcraighall, Liberton Midlothian

Monica 

[daval57]

Archibald married Elizabeth in Lasswade in 1882 (source ScotlandsPeople - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk )

If you get that image, it will show you his parents and age at marriage (as well as Elizabeth's).

From there, you should be able to track down his birth records either on IGI or SP).

This might be him on 1891 census

Archibald T Young 29 Head
Spouse's name :    Elizabeth C
Where born:    Loanhead, Midlothian
Address:    16 Ramsay Sq (Back)
Occupation:    Coal Miner

Household Members:    
Name    Age
Archibald T Young    29
Elizabeth C Young    27
James Young    8
Annie B Young    4
Nelly W Young    2
George C Young    6 Mo

Source Citation: Parish: Lasswade; ED: 10; Page:  25; Line: 9

[MonicaL]

That fits well Dave 

Likely entry on IGI for his birth, would fit with children's names:

ARCHIBALD TAIT YOUNG  Birth: 22 APR 1862 Lasswade
Parents:JAMES YOUNG and HELEN WOOD    
   
Monica

[Templar75]

Thank you all very much for the information on Archibald Young this is fantastic, I have been busy helping everybody else seeking their family that I have never had time to seek my own, I often wondered where the Wood side of the family came in, now I know.

Monica and and Dave, once again thank you all very much for your efforts in helping me it is greatly appreciated I wish I could by you both a drink or two.

Monica and and Dave

[daval57]

I'll help you save for those drinks Archie.
Have a look here.....   http://www.rootschat.com/links/059y/   

Dave 

[Templar75]

Hi Dave, thanks a lot for that, I will try tomorrow as I am off to bed, I still owe you those drinks.

Night night

Best.

Archie.

[Woodsd]

Archie

I came across your query quite by chance.  Long story, but a friend of my wife contacted me during the week to ask if I had in my family tree a Helen Wood who had married a James Young in Lasswade in 1846.  Firstly, my surname is Woods and not Wood, and secondly I have no family connections to Midlothian.  However, I recognised the names from the family tree of my ex-wife.  I then did a general search which brought up your query.

So it turns out that my wife's friend is the fourth cousin of my ex-wife.  My wife's friend is descended from James Young who was the brother of your grandfather (Archibald Tait Young and Elizabeth Coutts are her great-great-grandparents).  My ex-wife is descended from Jemima Young who was a sister of Archibald Tait Young.  Unfortunately, all this makes you the third-cousin of my former mother-in-law, so I don't know why I am even communicating with you.

I have copied below details from some birth, marriage and death certificates as well as OPRs.  In a minute, I will try to copy some census returns too (space restriction on these message).  Hopefully this information will help with your reseach.

Good luck

David

BIRTHS

Jemima Young
born 19 August 1855 at 8.30 am at Loanhead
mother's fifth child; 3 girls & 1 boy living
father: James Young (coalminer) aged 27 years born Ormiston
mother: Helen Young ms Wood aged 28 years born Tranent
married: Loanhead 1846
registered by father

James Young
born 5 September 1827, Ormiston (OPR)
James son of Robert Young and Mary Tait his wife was born at North Mains on 5 and baptised 30 September 1827

Mary Tait
born 10 October 1783, Yester (OPR)
Archibald Tait and his spouse Margaret Blair in Townhead had a daughter born and baptised 26th Do in presence of the congregation named Mary

William Tait
born 24 November 1780, Salton (OPR)
Archd Tait and Margaret Blair in Blind Wells had a son named William born 24th November and baptised 3rd December
witnesses: Andrew Bathgate & James Bathgate in Blance Burn

MARRIAGES

Alexander Moir & Jemima Young
married 13 March 1874 at Haywood, Parish of Carnwath
Alexander Moir (coal miner) bachelor aged 24 years of Haywood
father: James Moir (labourer) deceased
mother: Lilias Moir ms Smith, deceased
Jemima Young (papermill worker) spinster aged 20 years
father: James Young (coalminer)
mother: Helen Young ms Wood, deceased
Jemima Young made mark witnessed by Robert Young & John Nailor
witnesses: John Joyce & Mary Watson

James Young & Helen Wood
married 2 May 1846, Lasswade (OPR)
which day James Young, paper maker, Kevock Mill, and Helen Wood both in this parish gave in their names for proclamation in order to marriage.  3 days.

Archibald Tait & Margaret Blair
married 11 July 1777, Saltoun (OPR)
Archibald Tait and Margaret Blair both in this parish gave up their names in order to mariage, cautioner for the bridgeroom Robert Tait, cautioner for the bride John Hume

DEATHS

Helen Wood
died 21 January 1873 at 6.45 am at Loanhead
aged 48 years
wife of James Young (miner)
cause: chronic bronchitis 2 years, acute one
father: William Wood (miner) deceased
mother: no details
registered by husband

James Young
died 14 September 1892 at 2.50 pm at Wester Melville, Lasswade
aged 65 years (coaminer)
married: 1) Helen Wood; 2) Catherine White; 3) Jessie Wilson
cause: bronchial asthma 3 mths, hypertrophy dilatation of heart 2 months 8 days
father: Robert Young (ploughman) deceased
mother: Mary Young ms Tait, deceased

Mary Tait
died 17 July 1864 at 7 pm at Loanhead
aged 80 years
wife of Robert Young (farm servant)
cause: old age
father: [not given] Tait (farm servant) deceased
mother: Margaret Tait ms Blair, deceased
registered by William Young (son)

[Woodsd]

CENSUS RETURNS

1841 CENSUS, LASSWADE

Loanhead (district 6)
Robert Young         45 years   agricultural labourer   N
Mary Young         45 years      N
James Young         14 years      N
Jean Tait         60 years      N
Robert Young         3 years      Y

1851 CENSUS, LASSWADE

86 Main Street West, Loanhead (district 8, entry 97)
Robert Young   head   M   60 years   labourer (NK)   Ormiston
Mary Young   wife   M   62 years      Gifford haugh
James Young   son   U   28 years   labourer (NK)   Ormiston
Helen Young   wife   M   25 years      Newbattle
Robert Young   son      2 years      Lasswade
Janet Young   dau      1 year      Lasswade

1861 CENSUS, LASSWADE

East End, Loanhead (going towards Fountain)
James Young   head   M   33 years   fireman at paper mill   Tranent
Hellen Young   wife   M   33 years   worker at paper mill   Tranent
Robert Young   son      12 years   worker at paper mill   Lasswade
Janet Young   dau      11 years   message girl   Lasswade
Mary Young   dau      9 years      Lasswade
Jane Young   dau      7 years   scholar   Lasswade
Jamima Young   dau      5 years   scholar   Lasswade
Hellen Young   dau      3 years      Lasswade
William Young   son      1 year      Lasswade
Mary Tait   widow   W   75 years      Gifford
(2 rooms with one window or more)

1871 CENSUS, LASSWADE

North Side of Loanhead - possibly Linden Cottages (district 7, entry 133)
James Young   head   M   42 years   coal miner   Loanhead
Helen Young   wife   M   44 years   millworker   Loanhead
Janet Young   dau   U   21 years   millworker   Loanhead
Jane Young   dau   U   17 years   millworker   Loanhead
Jemima Young   dau   U   15 years   millworker   Loanhead
Helen Young   dau   U   13 years   scholar   Loanhead
William Young   son      11 years   scholar   Loanhead
Archibald Young   son      1 (?) year   scholar   Loanhead
James Young   son      6 years   scholar   Loanhead
Julia Young   dau      7 years      Loanhead
(2 rooms with one window or more) - Census records not written accurately or neatly

1881 CENSUS, LASSWADE

20 The Loan, Loanhead (district 6, entry 52)
Alexander Moir   head   M   30 years   coal miner   Lasswade
Jemima Y Moir   wife   M   26 years      Lasswade
James Moir   son      4 years      Lasswade
David Moir   son      2 years      Lasswade
Archibald Young   bro/l      18 years   coal miner   Lasswade
Lily Young   dau      4 mths      Lasswade
Julia Young   sis/l      13 years   scholar   Lasswade