William Jordan -- looking for ancestry info

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Andrew, welcome to Rootschat

If you could give us an idea of dates we might be able to give you a start. There's a Hugh R Jordan born 1827 1927, where the mother's maiden name is Deighton, and a marriage in 1922 where William Jordan married Constance E Deighton. Both events in St Neots registration district which included Kimbolton. You can find these on www.freebmd.org.uk. If these look like yours you can purchase the marriage cert and get fathers' names.

I can't see a likely looking William in Kimbolton on the 1911 census, so getting the marriage cert is crucial

David

[Andrew Jordan]

Hi David
Thanks for your reply, yes William and Constance are my Great grandparents and thanks for the great advice.

Andrew

[Canada529]

Hi Andrew,
I don't believe we are directly related as my great grandfather William Jordan married Georgina Collins and they did not have a son, Hugh, as far as I can determine.
Bruce (Canada 529)

[brian57]

After John Jordan died in 1856, Emma remarried an Abraham Edward Kennerley, again in St Pancras in 1862. They went on to have 3 children, Sarah b1863, Alice b1866 & Emma b1869.  Abraham died in 1869 & possible Emma & her children did as well as there is no record of them anywhere on the 1871 census but there are people with the same christian names & correct ages in the death indexes but the surnames are spelt in various ways.
I can't find Emma anywhere on the 1861 census whilst between marriages so I still don't know where she came from or who her parents were. The only possibility I have is on the 1851 census where there is an Emma Jackson, (her nee name), living in Cockayne Hatley, Beds.  The father is John which would be correct and the mother & 3 of her siblings have the same christian names as Emma's siblings.  Also this Emma shows as being born in London (strange), whilst all the other children were born in Hunts & Beds.

[bedfordshire boy]

Marriages are now online

30 Sept 1855 at St Pancras
John Jordan bachelor of full age labourer of Whittlebury St, father Joseph Jordan labourer & Emma Jackson of full age spinster of Whittlebury St, father John Jackson labourer. By banns, both signed. Witnesses Thomas James Roberts and Rolf

12 May 1862 at St Pancras
Abraham Edward Kennerley bach full Engine fitter of Whittlebury St, father Joseph Kennerley brick maker, & Emma Jordan widow full of Whittlebury St, father John Jackson labourer

I'm afraid that sinks Bruce's theory that she was from Steppingley, Beds, daughter of Henry Jackson

The Cockayne Hatley father John was a farmer of 200 acres employing 7 labourers, which doesn't really fit with him being a labourer on Emma's marriages

In 1861 there's a 28 year old widow, Emma Jordan, a servant for the vicar, in Gamlingay Cambs, born Albury Herts. An Emma Jackson was baptised in Albury on 22 Sept 1833, daughter of John and Charlotte. In 1851 and 1861 John was a thatcher which isn't a labourer.

Gamlingay is only 8 miles from Southoe. Might be worth investigating further

I'm struggling with the Kennerleys! Could you post details of the various births/deaths please*

David

*Since found baptisms of Alice and Emma in Poplar, and Abraham Kenerley 27 engine fitter b Congleton living in St Neots in 1861. So that presumably is where he met Emma (and St Neots is even closer to Gamlingay - only 5 miles!). Still not proof though.

Do you think Emma and Abraham stayed in the same lodging house in Whittlebury St that she'd stayed at with John Jordan?!

[Canada529]

Thanks, David.  I don't mind having my theories sunk when the ammo that sinks them brings new information as yours does.  It gives me some direction as to where I need to look next.  I have had difficulty finding the correct birth info for Emma Jackson (daughter of John).  Thanks again.
Bruce

[bedfordshire boy]

Brian, I've found an Emma Keightley age 37 death in Poplar in Dec 1869. If this is the possible death of Emma to which you refer then I don't think it's the one, as there was an Emma Keightley wife of Thomas age 31 in Poplar in 1861

But living in Poplar in 1881 was the following family
James W Lee 48 b Congleton
Emma Lee 47 b Albury
Emma Lee 13 b Poplar
James W Lee 9 b Middlesborough
Thomas Lee 7 b Durham (1891 shows Cornforth, and his baptism is on the IGI)
Harry Lee 1 b Poplar

In 1871 in Darlington
James William Lee 37 b Congleton
Emma Lee 36 b Albury
Emma Lee 1 b Middlesex London

If this isn't Emma Jackson then I'll be surprised! Her second husband Abraham was from Congleton; they lived in Poplar; Emma was possibly from Albury; the daughter Emma fits (other than the 1881 age, although she was 22 in 1891). Too many coincidences!  Only one problem. I can't find a marriage. Still working on it though (later - still drawn a blank). But if we can find a marriage then that should prove the link to Emma being from Albury. Alternatively the birth cert of one of the Lee children, James, Thomas, or Harry, should show the mother's maiden name, which I hope will be Jackson.Later - I think a birth cert is the way to go here, unless anyone can come up with the marriage. Right, that's my last edit!

David

[brian57]

Hi David

James Lee is on the 1861 census in Darlington married to Emma with daughter Emma so can't be the Emma we're looking for as she hadn't marred Abraham Kennerley at this point

[bedfordshire boy]

What's the reference Brian, as I can't see them in 1861? Emma the daughter was only 1 in 1871 in Darlington, so can't be the same Emma in 1861. Are you sure you're not looking at 1871?

David