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Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« on: Saturday 25 July 09 23:47 BST (UK) »
One of my ancestors was Frances Frecknall, and she had one son (presumably illegitimate): Henry Frecknall, baptised at Upton by Southwell, Notts in 1824. In the 1841 census, Frances was living with her parents (David & Ann Frecknall) in Southwell. However, I have not had any success tracing her after that date.

Frances was baptised in 1803 in Newark, Notts. As far as I can tell, she never married, however, in her father's will (dated 1841), it says she is "the Widow of the late Charles Johnson alias Steward". This has made it very very difficult to find her, because three surnames have to be checked every time. I don't know if Charles Johnson was the father of her illegitimate child, however in 1841 she was using her maiden name. Clearly Charles (whoever he was) had died before 1841.

Another mysterious thing to add is that when Frances's great granddaughter Emily Frecknall was baptised at Caunton, Notts. in 1888, her godparents were listed as Frances Frecknall, Elizabeth Frecknall, and Sarah Frecknall. The above Frances Frecknall is the only person of that name that I can find who is related to Emily, even checking through distant marriages. This might mean that Frances was still alive in 1888 (age ~85). However I would have thought it was strange to make your great grandmother a godmother - though I suppose it's possible.

Does anyone have any ideas at all of how to progress with this mysterious ancestor or her "husband" Charles??? Also, what do you think the most likely reason that Charles had an alias was?

Thanks,
Alexander

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Re: Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 July 09 00:33 BST (UK) »

Poaching somebodies tree, it looks like David and Ann (parents ) were actually Fricknall, not Frecknall. It seems you were correct about no father.

In 1861 she was a "Pauper Lunatic"  under the name of Frances Johnson in the County and Borough Pauper Lunatic Asylum near Nottingham. I presume this to be Mapperley hospital, and she was listed as previous occupation Servant.

Charles Johnson died before 1841.

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Re: Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 July 09 01:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that. I do have a lot of info about Frances's ancestry -  the name comes from Fricknall as you said, which appears to have come from Frignall. David Fricknall her father seems to have changed it to Frecknall. It's Frances herself I don't know much about.

I remember seeing that record for Frances Johnson in 1861 but since it's such a common name and I couldn't find her in any other censuses I wasn't sure if this is right.

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Alexander

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Re: Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 July 09 11:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Alexander, I was wrong to assume it was Mapperley Hospital as I realised later that did not open till the 1880's.
It was Seinton, as shown here.

http://www.hucknall-torkard.com/mental.html

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Re: Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 July 09 12:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Alexander, this is a possible death for Frances.

Name: Frances Johnson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 80
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b


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Re: Mysterious Frances FRECKNALL (or JOHNSON or STEWARD!!!)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 19:32 BST (UK) »
I have found a marriage:
Frances Frecknall to John Overing - Newark Upton Trent Nottinigham
30th June 1830

This couple appear to have had 3 children :
William born/bapt 22 Mar 1832 - died 10th Sept 1833
Ann born/bapt  11th July 1834
Richard born/bapt 26th April 1837

 All registered Newark Upton Trent Nottingham

1841 Census family are in Newark Upton Trent Nottingham
John & Frances 3 children + his parents John & Sarah
John is born 1811 - Frances born 1816

I can see that this Frances birth date would not fit with the one having Henry in 1824 ?
but just curious is there a family link ?

Class: HO107; Piece 868; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Newark Upon Trent; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 34; Page: 19

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Death Reg: 4 : Newark Upton Trent  Lincolinshire Nottinghamshire
John Overing
1806 - 1886 Oct/Nov/Dec aged 79
1844 Oct/Nov/Dec 
1849 April/May/June
1853 April/may/June



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There is also a Charles Johnson
registered death 1842 Apr/May/June Newark Lincolinshire Nottinghamshire
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