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Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« on: Tuesday 28 July 09 17:11 BST (UK) »
I have just discovered that my mum's great-grandfather, John Service, was born in Coldstream, 1840, to parents Christopher Service and Christian Brown. The couple were married in Duns a year previously, however, and family rumour has it that the Service family were employed on the Duke of Roxburghe's estate at Duns for several generations. How true this is, I do not know, but I would love to find out more about the family and their supposed connection to the Duke. Can anybody help regarding record sources or avenues to follow?
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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 11:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,

This is all I could find, may be others will have more luck.

1851 Coldstream, Hatchednize.
Christopher Service   H  M  38  Farm Serv.                 England.
Christian                   W  M  37  Wife of Farm Serv.    Berwick,Ladykirk.
John                          S       10  at Home                        "  Hutton.
George                      S       9   Scholar                          "   Edrom.
James                   left blank 6  Scholar.                         "   Edrom.
Thomas                     S        2  At Home                         "      "

Hatchednize.
Isabella Foulton  widow 77 Occupier of Farm  500 acres employing 9 men 8 women.

No sign of the family in 1861 at Coldstream or Duns.
Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 12:46 BST (UK) »
Oh Beckey, that's wonderful! Thank you for including Christopher's employer. I hadn't (stupid me!) thought of using the Scottish census to find the family, Scottish research being unfamiliar territory for me. Christopher's birthplace raises some doubt about the story that the Services were employed by the Duke of Roxburghe down the generations!!

However, it's lovely to finally discover John's siblings. I now know why John's only son was called George Christopher Service. While hunting for Services on Family Search yesterday, I jotted down the details of a Christian Brown, parents John and Janet, christened in Ladykirk, Berwick. There are two christening dates, one of 16 Jun 1811, and one of 25 May 1811 but I suspect the earlier one might actually be the birth date mistranscribed as a christening. 1811 isn't far off the date of 1814 calculated from the census, and the birthplaces tally so it looks like a match!

John married Janet Lothian in Duns in 1868, and their eldest daughter was born there early the following year, but it may well be his parents had gone elsewhere or died, possibly? By 1874, John had settled over the Border in Hebburn, where the couple's two younger children were born.

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 13:32 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The only thing I found in Ladykirk 1841.
Horndean.
James Brown  56  Ag.Lab.    Berwick.
Janet               59     "                ".
Daniel             60  Merchant      ".

There were several other Brown families, but that was the only one with a Janet that might fit.
Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .


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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 14:08 BST (UK) »
Hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for going to all this trouble, Beckey! I haven't had much joy with possible John Brown and Janet marriages either, apart from one in 1805 and one in 1808, both in Duns, or with Christopher's birth, although I could conjecture that George was the name of Christopher's father, if Christopher and Christian followed the Scots naming tradition.

Never mind, I'm amazed to have got this far...I've gone from knowing almost nothing about John's Scottish background except his year of birth and marriage details, to discovering his entire family, in three days !   ;D

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 14:20 BST (UK) »
hi all  :)

there is on scotlandspeople website -

christina service(other surname brown) death 1891 duns berwick born c1812

1881 24 north st. dunse berwick
christopher service 71 ag. lab. born england
christina service 70 b. ladykirk berwick
james service 31 son assistant forester b. edrom berwick
job middlemiss 21 visitor tailor b. coldstream berwick

SP also has christopher service death 1882 duns berwick born c1808

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 14:48 BST (UK) »
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i wonder if it was actualy the hays family that the service family worked for -

http://www.dunscastle.co.uk/history.html

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 15:05 BST (UK) »
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Thank you so much for those death dates and the census details. As far as working for the Hays family goes: it's a strong possibility as I can't find any mention of the Duke of Roxburghe in connection with Duns, specifically. It would certainly make more sense, geographically. I was given a link for the Roxburghe estate website today, and have contacted them with my query, so will see what they say. The Duke of Roxburghe story came via my uncle, some years before he died, and I've no idea where he got that info from, which is why I thought it would be worth following up now. It's always tempting to claim connections with royalty and the peerage, but not much good if it can't be proven!

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Re: Service family at Duns and Coldstream
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 15:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Per S.P.
1871 Clockmill,Dunse,
Christopher Service  H  M  61  Lab.        Eng.
Christina                   W  M  60                Ladykirk.
George                      S  U  28  Ag.Lab.    Edrom.
James                        S  U 24  Lab.              ".
Robert                        S  U 18  Lab.         Coldstream.

Scottish Borders - Wait Binnie Aitchison Whitelaw Sligo Fairgrieve Fairburn Robinson Plenderlieth Robson Broadwith Park Dickie Kerr Wilson Lockie Oliver Brown Scott.
Ross & Cromarty, Forsyth Bain.
Kincardine, Forsyth Lownie.
Staffordshire - Smith Steele Hallmark Colclough Dunn Booth Frost.
Shropshire - Tennant.
Sheffield - Savage England Corn Trippett.
Lincolnshire - Savage Smalley Allitt Booth Addison Kirton.
Huntingdonshire - Corn Connington Randall Baxter Booth .