Desford burial, 1811 - UPTON thread!

[Annie65115]

secondly - trying to sort out all these John Uptons:

There are 2 John Upton and Mary marraiges (1802 and 1814)

I've found the following baptisms for children of John and Mary:
Martha 1802; Sarah 1804; Mary 1806; Charles 1809; Elizas 1812; Joseph 1814; Amelia 1825.

Obviously they may not all be sibs (especiallu Amelia?) but I found these links:

1841 - John age 60 (ag lab) and Joseph age 20, living in Ravenstone, next to Eliza and Thomas Hunt
1851 - John living with Eliza and Thomas - "father in law" (late grocer)
1851 - Joseph Upton b 1816, baker, brother, living with Martha Grant (nee Upton) (innkeeper and grocer))
1851 - Charles age 41 is also a "maltster" in Desford

so I'd certainly think that Martha, Eliza and Joseph (and probably Charles) were sibs, with baptisms ranging 1802 - 1814.

Their father John was b around 1880 so was probably son of Thomas Upton and Elizabeth Holt, and brother to William Upton who married Ann Archer. The timescale suggests therefore that this is the John who probably married Mary Jarvis in 1802.

Comments? Ideas?

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Again. ..Annie…..

John Upton ~ Mary ? ........Marriages 1802. & 1814. ?

1802.
St: Martins Parish Church. Desford.

John Upton. ~ Mary JARVIS.
10th. May. …By Banns.

1814.
St: Martin’s Parish Church. Desford.

John Upton. ~ Mary DEXTER.
16th. March. By Banns.

Other John Upton Marriages Desford.

1812.
John Upton. ~ Rebecca Lester.
July …By Banns.

1823.
John Upton. ~ Ann Fradsham.
25th January By Banns.

Hope this helps

MIKE. ….

[WGU]

I managed to spend a few hours in the Record Office on Monday and can now contribute some more to the discussion.

My first thought is - since both John Uptons seem to have been born around 1793, the one who married Ann Fradsham in 1823 would have been 30 then - late for a first marriage.  His first wife is unlikely to have been Rebecca Lester, with such a long gap since her death in 1816.  John and Rebecca, then John and Mary Dexter is much more likely.  It seems likely, then, that Ann Fradsham was the other John's second wife, although I haven't explored the possibility of a first one.

Since only one of these Johns seems to have been baptised in Desford, I looked at neighbouring parishes, results as follows:

Thornton - DE 1269/5 1779-1795 - 1793 Mary Dexter bap daughter of George and Elizabeth. No Uptons

Markfield - DE 1729/2 1785-1812 - 1795 Mary Dexter bap daughter of Joseph and Alice, 27 June. No Uptons

Ratby - DE 994/1 1778-1805 (stopped at 1795 for lack of time) No Uptons

Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/6 - 1784-1794 No Uptons
Kirby Muxloe - DE 123/7 - 1794-1812 No Uptons 1794-8

Newbold Verdon - DE 750/3(1&2) 1754-1804 No Uptons 1790-1804

Kirby Mallory - DE 515/3 - 1754-1812 No Uptons
Kirby Mallory - DE 515/4 - 1783-1794 No Uptons

Woodhouse marriages 1754-1797 (started at 1780)
1792 - Henry Upton m Sarah Wire 9 April
         - John Upton m Mary Wire 13 Aug
         - Benjamin Upton m Ann Wootten 3 Sept

Any of these could have been the parents of the John born 1793 who was not born in Desford.

Woodhouse Bishops' Transcripts - MF 457 (looked at 1764-1803 before time ran out)
Plenty of Uptons, but no Johns baptised around 1793

I looked in the Wills index, but couldn't find one that would help.

Not sure where this gets us, except back to Woodhouse, where the centenarian John may have been born.  But no other baptisms around 1793 for a John.

Anyone any more ideas?

Judi

[Annie65115]

Gosh, Judi, how long did that lot take you at the RO?!

As before, my feeling is that the centenarian John Upton was the child of Henry and Elizabeth Upton of Markfield; firstly because his wedding registration states he was from Markfield, and secondly because Henry's will starts by leaving his house and frame to his son John, from which I suspect that John was his oldest son. Other children are mentioned!

That doesn't help us with the John Upton/Ann/Rebecca/Mary marraiges though

I have BTW followed John and Mary's children through the censuses (as per my post 2 above) and confirmed that Charles does indeed belong in this batch of siblings. Martha Upton was blind and one of her daughters was listed as "partially blind" -- anyone noticed any other blindness in the family?

My John (who married Ann) was a stocking maker, as was Henry of Markfield all those years before. His sons were FWK or wheelwrights/carpenters. OTOH the children of John and Mary seem to have been involved in the alcohol trade and bakers. Has anyone else found any other possible patterns of family trades?

[Annie65115]

please see this thread for more re the Markfield Uptons:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=443113.new#new

[treegirl]

On a completely different tack.... Annie - saw you're researching HOLYLANDs too.... were they from Desford as well??

TreeGirl

[Annie65115]

HI, my Holylands can be traced back in Market Bosworth, I suspect they went there from Desford around 1700 but that's a gut feeling rather than based on evidence!

[treegirl]

Ah - shame! Mine are from Desford and I can trace them back there a few generations from the early 1800's. If you find a link, let me know!

TreeGirl

[cidrakeley]

I am trying to find more info on the Drakeley family.  My husband's great,great grandfather was Thomas Drakeley who arrived in Philadelphia, PA on the ship London in 1847.  He arrived with William Drakeley and his family as well as Henry Upton and his family.  You mentioned that Thomas's parents were William Drakeley and Elizabeth Upton.  Is this correct? Also you said he came with a brother George but the passenger list has a William, wife Jane, a George  who was 4 and infant Joseph.  Any more info would be appreciated.