Poor Relief Records

[janan]

Hi

Just posting link to your other thread which gives more info

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,397143.0.html

Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

Notwithstanding what the Scottish records show, in 1872 William Arthur Collett couldn't have been lodging with his grandfather Walter Collett, who had died in 1857, a few years before William was born. Frances Collett married William Willsher on 26 Dec 1858 at Bedford St John.

When did Rose Paterson die?

David

[crookedtail]

HI,

HE WAS WITH HIS STEPGRANDFATHER AND HIS BIRTH
GRANDMOTHER..AND IS LISTED AS GRANDSON...on the 1871 Census
YES IT WAS THE WILSHER FAMILY...
He was living with them in the 1871 census...
His mother died in Scotland in ....
Rose Finden Collett
April 11,1867
Glasgow,Scotland
Father: Robert Paterson
Died:Nov 16,1869
Scotland,Glasgow
Married: Jan 22,1865
Bedford,England
So they weren't married when William was born...

The PR records said William Arthur was living with grandparents in England.....
I knew who grandparents were and all their history
so i was able to find him with his stepgrandfather and his
real grandmother with no problem...
the problem is after 1878 when grandmother died and 1879
when his stepgrandfather died....he would have been about
15 years old and no family left and orphaned again...
hope my new explaination is better ...thanks for you
question and help...Crookedtail

[crookedtail]

Hi,

I just recieved the Birth Certificate on William Arthur Collett
and his mother is Rose but no father listed...
Born March 1,1864
Bedford,Bedford,England

Could someone help ...Crookedtail

[janan]

Given that William was left behind when Rose went to Scotland it seems to me unlikely that his father was Robert Paterson - which doesn't help you much

Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

No surprises on the birth certificate. If his father had been named he would have shown under another name in the index as well as Collett.

I agree with Jan. Rose didn't marry Robert Paterson until 22 Jan 1865, which is a long time after the birth for Robert to be doing the honourable thing.

Interesting that in 1861 Rose appears to have been a servant in Dunstable in a house including three travelling Scottish drapers

What is surprising is that he doesn't seem to show in England in any census or bmd record after 1871. Might he have emigrated? It seems unlikely that he would have joined his (half?) brother who he may have never met

David

[janan]

I've also looked in vain for William on censuses and BMD - emigration before 1881 does seem likely.

Jan

[crookedtail]

Hi,

William did know about his brother as Roberts brother
David also from Scotland took the over seeing of both
boys making sure of money for there keep and visits as he
 was mentioned in the record i got from Scotland
and is noted by living relatives that he visited both boys
 but David went to USA in Pa in 1881 ..
.and i know that David had just lost to death
three of his sons so i believe that they were
emotionally unable and had 6 others still living to
 take the two  boys at the deaths of all their caretakers.
 I am in contact with some of Davids
grandchildren but they have been unable to find
any paperwork that David had on the two boys,but are still
looking and no one knows now what happened to the boys.
Walter Cyrus went to Canada in 1880 and i have
traced him till the 1930 USA census in New York but nothing
after that,working on death  but quit expensive without
knowing when. William may have gone to Canada also but
unable to find a connection with Walter.
Thanks guys it is great to have others input on ideas and
another pair of eyes..
Any ideas are welcome....sometime you get tunnelvisioned
and miss things...
Crookedtail

[crookedtail]

Hi,

I have been able to get the records for Walter Cyrus Paterson
from the Quarrie in  Canada....
It states in these records that his brother is a seaman so
that may make a differance in not finding him on the census
it does not mention a name of ship...
Since William Arthur Collett (Walters brothers name)Born:
March 1,1864 in Bedford,England
has spent most of his life in England I would think his ships
where out of Liverpool or other England ports...does
someone know about ship records and help or give me some
hints how to find some records...Crookedtail