Anna Maria BEAVAN

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Just a very brief up-date as I could ramble on for hours.

Remember Phyllis Mabel Wilson?  Well it looks like her Grandfather John Henry Wilson had two families.  The first included Edgar Horace Wilson (my Nana's father) - his mother was Hannah F. Wilson who in 1891, 1901 & 1911 lived in Lavender Hill London.  In 1911 she is classified as Married for 44 years.

The second was with a lady called Rosina (they had three daughters) and lived in Yorkshire 1891, Derby 1901 and Nantwich 1911........what a scallywag!!  In 1911 he is classified as being married for 42 years.......but who to!!!!

Also have found a vague connection of Annie to Wantage (where Phyllis was brought up).  Her friend Ethel Davis (nee Goddard) who was also a Draper's Assistant, her mother Mary Goddard (maiden name unknown) was born in West Hanney which is just outside Wantage so I need to find a connection between her and the Holloways.  It'll keep me out of mischief all this!!

Hope you're all ok, especially Heywood and Derykjohn

Regards
Julie

[charlotteCH]

Hi Julie. Makes me feel weak, the thought of him having to keep things separate and clear in his head..
Do you think he was legally married to either  of the wives?
He surely wouldn't have been foolish enough to marry two women- bigamy was a jailable offence.

{I missed the beginning of this saga hence the question ]

charlotte

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I have absolutely no idea but am not very proficient or patient enough to trawl through the marriage indexes!!!  I wonder if it mattered if they actually did get married or just said they did in those days.  But it clearly looks like John Henry Wilson did have two families at either end of the country!!  Then again, my paternal G.Grandfather said he was married on my Nana's birth certificate but I don't think he was!!

Thanks for your interest Charlotte

Julie

[charlotteCH]

Julie, does either marriage for him appear on freebmd?

A sensible chap- if you have two families keep them at either end of the country ... and given that communication and travel was more limited then, he'd have felt some degree of safety in this.

I assume he didn't talk in his sleep

charlotte

[heywood]

Hi Julie,

mmm... very interesting. 

I think that John Henry married Hannah Fanny Vincent in 1868 (Free BMD)

1871 RG10; Piece: 3224; Folio: 9; Page: 7
living Leicestershire- he is a stud groom
John Henry Wilson b 1841 Willingham Cambridgeshire
Hannah Fanny b Englefield Green Berkshire

1881 RG11; Piece: 1622; Folio: 37; Page: 27
John Henry Wilson b abt 1847 , Horse Dealer b Inglefield Bucks
Francis wife b Inglefield Bucks   (Hannah Fanny)

1891- RG12; Piece: 428; Folio 11; Page 13
Hannah F b Wingfield Berks
Harriet Cocking mother    (of whom?)

1891 RG12; Piece: 3887; Folio 64; Page 25
John H Wilson b 1842 Horse Dealer
Eliza A White mother in law

1881 RG11; Piece: 619; Folio: 73; Page: 64

Rosa White with parents Charles and Eliza
Charles is a carpenter (not a horse dealer etc)
I ws thinking that he may have met her through his horse dealings ... but doesn't look like it.

(can't see a marriage to Rosa/Rosina)

1901 the family are in West Derby - which is Liverpool area (not Derby)
He is still a horse dealer

Yes he does seem to have led two lives.

heywood

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Good to hear from you Heywood - bizarre all this stuff isn't it.  I think you're right John & Rosina were never married, probably just appeared that way.  I found the connection with her through a family tree on GenesReunited.  How I would love to know all the gory details!!

Also found someone with Ethel Goddard (who married the artist George H Davis) on their tree but it's not that close which is a shame as I was hoping that her descendants would have all the reply postcards that Edgar and Annie wrote to George & Ethel which may give me some more info surrounding Phyllis's birth etc.

Will keep trying!!

Julie

[charlotteCH]

Hi again,
 that he said his occupation ion 1871 was stud groom was probably a reasonable statement

charlotte

[Maggie.]

Hi Julie,

I am another like Charlotte who is coming late into this and therefore have missed the beginning.  How intriguing - the poor chap must have been exhausted with all that dashing about, and yes, I agree with Charlotte in that he took his occupation in 1871 VERY seriosly

Maggie

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It's hysterical all this isn't it, nine children with two different women........I know at least three boys survived into adulthood but it's difficult tracking the girls down cos of name changes etc.

I reckon he disappeared and probably the family in London never saw him again but then again he may not have done........how frustrating not to know all the facts!!

Julie