Marriages in Ashton In Makerfield - CUNLIFFE / MARSH / ?

[plimmerian]

Asking for a friend:

1881, Lower Lane, Ashton In Makerfield

Thomas (57) & Martha (61) MARSH (nee unknown) both born Ashton - not able to locate a marriage just yet

also in household - wife's children CUNLIFFE - aged 25, 22, 19 all born Ashton

MARSH children aged 30, 21, 18, 15 - must be children from Thomas first marriage?

does a MARSH / CUNLIFFE / unknown link appear in your tree?

many thanks,

Ian.

[Ecneps]

Hi Ian,

Marriage reg Dec 1878 Wigan    8c   9
CUNLIFFE    Martha   and on same page   MARSH  Thomas

1871 census  RG10 Piece 3898 Folio 25 Page 18
Billinge Lane, Ashton in Makerfield

CUNLIFFE
Martha   head unm51 Housekeeper
Miles       son       "           22 Cpal Miner
Elizabeth dau 15 Scholar
James       son 12 Drawer in Coal Mine
Thomas        "    9 Scholar

all born Ashton in Makerfield

1861 census RG9 Piece 2786 Folio 31 Page 23
Simms Lane End, Ashton in Makerfield
CUNLIFFE
Martha     head unm 41 Laundress
Elizabeth   dau          5  Scholar
James      son           2

all born Ashton

will look for Thomas and first wife tomorrow
unless someone else does it before then

Barbara 
   
 

[plimmerian]

wow!

so much so soon!

my friend will be pleased.

you're a star.

best wishes,

Ian.

[Ecneps]

Hi Ian

This may be first wife's death reg:
Sep 1877  Wigan    8c   74   MARSH  Ann  aged 53   

1871 census RG10 Piece  3898 Folio  6  Page 8
Lower Lane, Ashton in Makerfield

MARSH
Thomas  head mar 47 Coal Miner
Ann        wife   mar 46
Mary       dau   unm 22 Serv in Coal Mine Engine House
Joseph    son     "    20 Coal Miner
Peter        "        "    19 Labourer in Coal Mine
Thomas    "             11  Scholar
Sarah     dau          10        "
Margaret  "              8        "
William     son          5        "
Ellen MILLINGTON sister in law unm 35  b. Billinge

all but Ellen born Ashton in Makerfield
   

1861 census   RG9  Piece  2786  Folio 7  Page  7
Lower Lane, Ashton in Makerfield
MARSH
Thomas  head 37 Coal Miner
Ann        wife  36
John       son  19      "       "
Mary       dau  13  Scholar
Joseph   son   10  Coal Miner
Peter         "     9  Scholar
Elizabeth dau  5      "
Martha       "    4      "
Thomas    son  2
Sarah      dau  4 months
all born Ashton in Makerfield



Barbara
   

[Ecneps]

1851 census HO107 Piece  2201 Folio 246 Page 2/3
Lower Lane, Ashton in Makerfield

MARSH
Thomas  27  Coal Miner
Anne     26
John        9  Coal Mine Labourer
Martha    8  Scholar
Anne       6       "
Hannah  4        "
Mary       2
Joseph  7 months
all born Ashton

You may need Thomas & Ann's marriage cert to find his parents as there are a few candidates Thomas Marsh, none living with parents in 1841
Ann's surname probably Millington (see sister-in-law Ellen living with them in 1871) but haven't found her marriage to Thomas yet


Barbara

[Ecneps]

Going back to Thomas' second wife Martha Cunliffe:

1851 census  HO107 Piece  2201  Folio  263  Page  6
Senela Green, Ashton in Makerfield

Betty HOUGHTON     head wid 71 Retired Farmer
Anne PIMBLETT    dau   mar 49 Day School Mistress
Martha CUNLIFFE servant unm 31 General Servant
Miles CUNLIFFE servant's son    2
Jane HUNT            visitor       13
   
all born Ashton in Makerfield


1841 census HO107 Piece 524 Book 1 Folio 35 Page 5
Senely Green, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire
Ann PIMBLETT     35 School Mistress
James WELSBY    45 Male Servant
Martha CUNLIFFE    20 Female  "
Thomas BIRCHELL    15 Male       "
William         "           15    "          "

and 4 households further on, possible parents:
CUNLIFFE
George 45 Ag Lab
Jane     45
Ann      15
William 14 Worker in Coal Pit
John     11     "          "
Ellen HOUGHTON 65

next household
CUNLIFFE
Jonathan  25 Worker in Coal Pit
Ann          25
Ellen          3
Thomas     1

next
CUNLIFFE
John 20  Collier
Sarah 20
Margaret 1

Only way to find out Martha's children's father would be to get one of the children's birth certs, but as illegitimate, no father would probably be named

Barbara
   
   

[madpants]

Just so you know if you want to order Miles' birth cert

There are 2 Miles Cunliffes born Sept Q 1845
on the BiVRI

Miles 1 is born June 1845 with parents John and Sarah
Miles 2 is born Sept 1845 with parents Jonathan and Anne

so I'd say it was a safe bet that 'your' Miles is not on the BiVRI and is candidate number 3 born Dec Q 1848 Wigan 21 723 

[plimmerian]

so much info Barbara - can't keep up!!! 

thanks for the extra knowledge madpants. 

found this possibility:

IGI
Martha Cunliffe
  Female     
 Birth:  23 AUG 1819   
 Christening:  26 SEP 1819   Winwick,Ashton-In-Mackerfield, , Lancashire, England
  Father:  James Cunliffe  Family
  Mother:  Betty Cunliffe     
Source Information:
 C007227 
 
and this too:

James Cunliffe
  Male
 Birth:  18 OCT 1778   Ashton, , Lancashire, England   
 Death:  17 JUN 1830   Ashton, , Lancashire, England
 Marriages:
  Spouse:  Betty Speakman  Family
  Marriage:  16 SEP 1799   Winwick, Lancashire, England
Messages:
 Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter. 
   
so I'm hopeful.

Can't wait to see my friend - she'll be thrilled

Big thank yous all round.

 

[Ecneps]

Ok Ian,

 will leave you to tell your friend and digest the information, perhaps get a couple of certificates before going further.

Barbara