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Offline fallingonabruise

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Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Tuesday 04 August 09 03:55 BST (UK) »
I got the birth cert for my great grandad, Grenville Fairclough Lloyd, b 1852,
and thought his fathers occp. was gen/labourer,
but now , having looked at it properly I realize it says Gentleman.
This father, John Ballard Lloyd, does not appear on any of censuses with his family, and the only reference i can find is a baptism in 1807 with his father being Benjamin Lloyd in Worcester.(if this is him)
Anyway this 'gentleman' has added to the mystery because Lavinia Ann (nee Cheatham) , his wife is classed as an annuitant in the 1851 census.
I have just been checking out her address at this time,28 Trafalgar square , mile end old town ,London,
and all the neighours seem quite well off, lots of them with a couple of servants.
I can't find any marriage for them either.
one of his other sons had Ballard in his name too
another son who was a travelling herbalist , went to America selling miracle cures 'Lloyds Pink Pills'
so,
who was John Ballard Lloyd and where was he and where was the money coming from?,
are the 'Ballard ' and 'Fairclough' names important.
any ideas?
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 07:51 BST (UK) »
Here's another possibility:

John Ballard Lloyd

Baptised 31 Aug 1819 Christ Church Hunter Street Liverpool

Father - Benjamin Lloyd
Mother  - Elizabeth

There is a death registered in Stepney in 1855 for Frederick John Ballard Lloyd - is that the  son that you mentioned ?
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 08:06 BST (UK) »
Some items from the newspapers re John Ballard Lloyd :

1836 - manager, General Cabriolet Conveyance Company ( share offer August 1836)
1848 - a number of references to the distressing case of John Ballard Lloyd and various donations recorded for his relief. One report says that he is about to emigrate
1853 - in prison for insolvency. Had been promoter of "The City of London Brewing and Malting Company" and formerly a commercial traveller
1855 - in trouble for throwing two oranges at Commissioner Evans in the bankruptcy court. Evans was apparently his godfather
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 08:10 BST (UK) »
If you do an advanced search in the Gazette for the exact phrase John Ballard Lloyd you'll find a couple of 1853 items http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 10:45 BST (UK) »
Brilliant Shaun thank you ! ;D
yes Frederick is his son,
In that link one of Johns addresses is 8 Leslie st, which is where Grenville was born.

How would I be able to see the newspaper items?
I wonder what it meant by distressing case and why he was given donations?
and why was he throwing oranges ?!!!

ooo this is so exciting !!! ;D
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:29 BST (UK) »
You sure do have interesting ancestors  ;) If I was producer on WDYTYA and could waive the 'celeb' requirement, I'd have you on there like a shot   ;D

In respect of John Ballard Lloyd, someone posted previously this entry as a potential christening for him:

JOHN BALLARD LLOYD Christening: 22 DEC 1807 St Clement, Worcester, Worcester (father Benjamin and mother Elizabeth)

You have from Shaun the links for early 1850s with him by now showing as a travelling salesman. I found this entry in 1851, which apart from him showing as unmarried fits perfectly:

John Loyed, lodger, 42, commercial traveller b. Worcester, St Clement. He is living at 20 Ernest Street, Mile End Old Town Lower (Class: HO107; Piece: 1553; Folio: 767; Page: 29)

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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:36 BST (UK) »
From Shaun's 1836 reference, some background on the General Cabriolet Conveyance Company:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Omnibuses_and_Cabs.djvu/245
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Omnibuses_and_Cabs/Part_II/Chapter_III -  section 225 in particular.

Not much on The City of London Brewing and Malting Company except a TNA ref:

Piece details BT 41/149/846 - Board of Trade: Companies Registration Office: Files of Joint Stock Companies Registered under the 1844 and 1856 Acts
        
Monica
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 21:05 BST (UK) »
just a thought with the 2 baptism records,
I wonder if the 1807 one died and they had a second john ballard lloyd in 1819? because both records have the same parents,
johns wife was born 1822 so the 1819 one seems a better fit ???

I'm just making pizzas at the minute but will write up a bit out of thosee newspaper cuttings when I've done,
sounds like poor John was robbed of a lot af money (1.200, how much would that be worth nowdays ?)
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 21:09 BST (UK) »
Don't  let the pizzas burn as I usually do  :-[  ;D
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