Lloyd London Mystery

[fallingonabruise]

well Grenville was the fifth in 1852, and JBL was named on that,
and they were together since about 1840ish,  so its the last 3 we need to find out.

You think there would be some info floating about for his father with him being a magistrate,
how do you find wills ?

[MonicaL]

I did think about Wills perhaps for both parents assuming we have the correct b, Birth and marriage, Benjamin and Elizabeth (Collins).

From that report of the 1848 case that you posted: At the decease of his mother he was to be entitled to the reversionary interest of £1,200 with the implication of Wills & Testaments.

This is where my knowledge of English resources falls down  , hopefully someone here can point the way!

[ShaunJ]

I think what it means is that someone (presumably his father) left a Will under which £1200 was set aside to provide an income for his mother during her lifetime, and on her death that capital (or the income from it) would revert to JBL.

[ShaunJ]

I don't know where that stuff on Josiah Wilson fits in to all of this but (per Google Books) Charles Frederick Collins was articled to a solicitor named John Fox ... I wonder if that's the "Mr Fox" who was threatened by JBL?

[MonicaL]

Interesting find Shaun 

These are the children showing on IGI to a James Collins and Cecilia Catherine Josophina - all in Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London.

1. ELIZABETH COLLINS  Christening: 30 JUL 1799
2. CAROLINE COLLINS Christening: 26 NOV 1801
3. SUSANNA COLLINS Christening: 20 MAY 1803
4. JOHN MUSGRAVE COLLINS Christening: 02 SEP 1804
5. BENJAMIN COLLINS Christening: 23 FEB 1808
6. HENRY GEORGE COLLINS Christening: 23 FEB 1808
7. CHARLES FREDERICK COLLINS Christening: 23 FEB 1808

Monica

Added: Amelia daughter's details (mother's names in a different order): AMELIA LOUISA COLLINS  - Christening: 13 JAN 1812

[tbirduk]

f-o-a-b: Are you in contact with Pete Smee?

http://www.thesmeefamily.com/search-www.php?mylastname=LLOYD&lnqualify=equals&mybool=AND&tree=Databaseinfo


http://findour.name/All/findex18.htm

I did join his site thing but have never messaged him, might be worth a try, I wonder if he has any certificates for the family....

You Rang?

The only certificate I have is the Marriage certificate for Walter Henry Lloyd at St Peter Stepney in 1884, Walter describes his own and his Father's occupation as Traveller.
Witnesses were F A Hobbs and CJ Cheatham the latter is presumably a relative of Lavinia's?

Walter married my 2nd Cousin, 3 times removed so I am not "au fait" with the family.
Walter is in the 1891 PC as a travelling herbalist and in 1901 as a Herbalist. 6 kids but I haven't tracked them beyong 1901

Pete

[MonicaL]

Hi Pete

Interesting witness name with the CJ Cheatham, we have absolutely nothing on Lavinia apart from census entries. I'll see if we can find anything on CJC in the censuses. I don't supposed there was anything on him/her other than the name?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Closest I can see for a CJC, from this FreeBMD entry:

Births 3rd Qrt 1863   
Charles James   CHEATHAM  Mile End 1c   511

Possibly this is his family in 1871 in Shoreditch:

Francis G Cheatham 36, clerk and author, b. Stepney, Middlesex
Georgina L Cheatham 31, b. Plymouth, Devon
Annie E Cheatham 11, b. Whitechapel, Middlesex
Charles J Cheatham 7, b. Stepney, Middlesex
James H Cheatham    46, brother, packing case maker

RG10; Piece: 464; Folio: 17; Page: 28

Monica

[ShaunJ]

That ties in nicely with a public tree on Ancestry which shows Francis Geo Cheatham 1835 as one of Lavinia Lloyd's two brothers ( the other being James William 1826). Parents Thomas Cheatham 1789 and Elizabeth 1794. They are in the 1841 census at HO107/697/ 1/29/ 21 which also shows an Elizabeth Cheatham aged 16.