John Irwin 1841/51 census

[CaroleW]

The only 1841 entry I can find for an Elizabeth & William Hawkswood is in Halesowen.  Both aged 25 and neither were b in county.  No child with them
HO107 Piece 908/4  Folio 19 Page 5

1851 shows them still in Worcs and neither were b Northumberland. 2 children b after 1841

[Allan Robson]

she could have been a widow, but there is no sign if the child dying before the 1841 census, so i am wondering what happened to him?

Thanks
Allan

[Michael Dixon]

Allan

Did she register the birth of John ?

[Allan Robson]

yes, she did register him and there was no father mention?
its important i find out what happened to the child as it could solve a 10 years Puzzle.

Thanks
Allan Robson

[CaroleW]

It might help find him if we knew where he fitted into your FH.

You won't have just plucked a birth from freebmd without a reason so can you please tell us everything you have on this person - including any later censuses you have found him on

[Michael Dixon]

 Allan,

I think it is obvious that it is important for you to find out about John. And it is obvious that Chatters are doing their best to help you.

 I am asking about addresses on the birth cert for a specific reason. We could ascertain who was living at the address(es) a few months later, on the 1841 census, which might, or might not, provide clues about John !

Michael

[Allan Robson]

Thanks Micheal
she lived at Bermondsey Road Newcastle, that was the address on the birth cert.

Thanks
Allan

[Allan Robson]

Hello Carole
below is why i am interested in John Irwin, i have never found the below John Robson and i am wondering John Irwin could be him, John Irwin born June qtr 1840 would have been 1 in 1841, wes Elizabeth Irwin, the below Eleanors sister and she gave the baby to the Robsons to bring up, its a long shot but you never Know?


John Robson born 1840 ish his parents appear to be John Robson born 1805 Corbridge and Eleanor Urwin born 1809 Byker, John was the 6th Child born to the above his Siblings as follows:
Robert born 1827 Cramlington
Jane born 1829 Walker
Mary Ann born 1831 Norton
Elizabeth born 1833 Norton
Douglas born 1835 Newcastle
John born 1840?
I have all the Baptisms of the above except John

1841 Census
Pemberton St, Hetton-le-Hole
Eleanor age 30
Robert age 13
Mary Ann age 9
Elizabeth age 8
Douglas age 5
John age 1

Oct 1841 Margaret was born in Hetton I have birth Reg, no Baptism.
Sept 1843 Armstrong Urwin born Hetton
July 1846 Richard  Born died in 1846 at Hetton, both Armstrong and Richard were baptised together at St Nicholas Hetton 8th July 1846, I also have there Birth Regs, still no sign of John and Margaret's Baptisms

1851 Census
Neasham Sq, Sunderland
John Robson age 46 Head born Corbridge
Eleanor age 41 born Byker
John aged 11 Born Sunderland
Magaret age 10 born Sunderland ( this is wrong she was born Hetton I have birth Reg)
Armstrong age 8 born Hetton
Thomas age 3 Months born Sunderland, I have his Birth Reg and Baptism

1861 Census
20 Sussex St, Sunderland
John Robson age 23 Seaman Born Bishopwearmouth
Eleanor wife age 27 Born Sunderland
Douglas age 4 Months born Sunderland

John Robson age 22 Married Eleanor Ann Hall age 26 on 15th Jan 1860 in Sunderland, I think he lied about his age to marry his wife was actually 29 when they married she knocked a few years off her age.
John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident and was buried with Naval Honours.

John is my direct Line, I have had all the John Robson Birth Regs checked from 1837 to 1841 he is not Registered and no luck with his baptism of him and his sister Margaret, it is a complete mystery why there is no record of him.
if anyone can help or come across his birth or Baptism please let me know it has been 9 years of Searching.

Many Thanks
Allan Robson

[CaroleW]

Hi Allan

It would have been so much more helpful if you had posted all that info at the outset

Yes - it's a strong possibility that Eleanor was John's aunt and that info changes the way in which we would tackle your request

To find whether Eleanor had a sister Elizabeth - we need to find her parents

As one of her children was called Armstrong - could this be her baptism

ELEANOR IRWIN  Birth:  28 JUN 1809   
Christening:  16 JUL 1809   All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland   
Father:  ARMSTRONG IRWIN   Mother:  JANE DOUGLAS 

There is no daughter Elizabeth listed to those parents on the IGI