Sarah RICHARDS b c 1826 - Bedwellty(?)

[osprey]

If the marriage cert shows her father as David, the family from Ishlawrcoed above would look a good match. But I'm struggling to David after that apart from a possible death registration in march qtr 1848.

 

[Brentor boy]

I now have the marriage cert.

Married Gelligaer Parish Church, after banns, 9 Nov 1846.

Robert Smith , of full age, s/o George Smith, Miner
Sarah Rosser, of full age, d/o David Rosser, Collier.
Both of Pantywain

Witnesses:- George Jones, Elizabeth Rosser.

All made mark.

It looks like your suggestion of the Sarah/David entry for Ischlawrcoed is correct. I just hope the name of Robert's father is right! I have had two false leads already in trying to sort out this family. Perhaps it's fortunate I am looking for Smith in Wales and not in England.

On the marriage certificate of their daughter Jane, her father's name is shown as Thomas Smith, and then her birth certificate shows her mother's maiden name as Richards.

[osprey]

Robert seems to be well hidden in 1841. There is a George Smith in Gelligaer, but he's an engineer and I think his marriage is 1827. There's a George Smith who's a miner in Trevethin, Monmouthshire, but no Robert with him.

Perhaps his father died before 1841 and his mother remarried, so he's hidden under another surname.

 

[Brentor boy]

Thanks Osprey, looks as if I am in for some serious digging. I had so hoped that Robert's father would have been called Joseph!

[Brentor boy]

Hi Osprey,

Hope you will pick this up, and that you do not mind me troubling you again.

Working from some additional information I have been given by another interested party, I want to check out a possible hypothesis.

It now seems possible that Robert Smith was the son of Joseph and Jennette of Rhymney and that after the death of Joseph, Jennette married George Jones. If this happened whilst Robert was still quite young, he might have grown up to regard George as his father and, when asked at his wedding for his father's name gave "George" with the vicar adding "Smith", making an incorrect assumption. A George Jones was a witness to his marriage.

Can you find any record of George and Jennette Jones in Pantywaun in 1841? Robert would have been about 14 at that time and could still have been living at home, possibly under the name of Jones.

From somewhere I have a note of a Joseph Smith baptised Merthyr Tydfil 3 Jan 1802 s/o Henry and Agnes. Unfortunately I have not noted the source because it did not appear relevant. If I am right in my theory and Robert's father was Joseph, whose first son was called Henry, it might now be very important. Are you able to re-connect me to the source?

[osprey]

Theory is looking good so far!
marriage
George Jones and Juan (?) Smith 16/1/1832 Gelligaer

1841 Pant a wain, Gellygare HO107/1414/7 folio 25 pg 20
George Jones 30 smith
Jennet 30
Ann 4
Hannah 1
Henry 10 miner
Robert 10 miner
Mary Price 20 female servant
all born in county apart from George & Mary & eunmerated in that order so  the 2 boys out of age order.

1851 Pantywaun, Gelligaer HO107/2457 folio 196 pg 46
George Jones head mar 45 victualler b. Carms, Llangunnor
Jennet wife 45 b. Glam, Llanwonno
Ann dau 14
Hannah dau 11
Mary dau 8
John son 5
Gwenllian dau 1
all born Gelligaer except where stated

Sorry, I can't help with the baptism for Joseph, the IGI batch for the parish church Merthyr Tydfil starts in 1820. Have found his marriage though - 19/7/1824 in Gelligaer to Jennet Llewellyn.

 

[Brentor boy]

Many , many, thanks Osprey. That ties in with everything I already know about this family and is, I think, as conclusive as I am going to get. Only the ages in 1841 are a bit out, but that is not unusual and certainly something I can live with.

[osprey]

I had a little look around and I think the enumerator may have been a bit too keen with his rounding down. It was meant to be that those over the age of 15 had their age rounded down to the nearest 5. This one seems to have gone a stage further and rounded down those over 10. This isn't the only household with 2 10 year olds in it and I've just spotted one with 3, but no-one aged 11-14 that I noticed at a quick glance.

 

[Brentor boy]

Thanks for adding substance to my assumption.