William Henry Cox - Any Census 1841 - 1891

[Ewan]

As a cross check, can anyone please help to see if they can find the following individual on any censuses from the Isle of Man, 1841 - 1891 only?

William Henry Cox born England according to a death certificate he was born 1833 there is an entry for the same name on the 1901 census where the birth year was 1841. 

Any help appreciated.
Ewan

[CatOne]

I can''t see him in any Isle of Man census but I see he was an electro plater on the 1901 census - what about this man then?

1881 RG11/2201 Folio 38 Page 17
28 Whimple Street, Plymouth St Andrew
William Henry Cox 43 Electro Metallugist ("plated ware" written above) Birmingham
Helen F? 33 Hastings Sussex
Maud N 3 Plymouth
Lionel H 1 Plymouth

Marriage - William Henry Cox Sept 1877 Bristol 6a 52
Brides - Helen Fanny Smith or Catherine Elizabeth Bishop


1891 RG12/813 Folio 28 Page 14
55 Meeting House Lane, The Palace, Brighton, Sussex
William Hy J Cox 50 Silver Plater & Gilder ....... Master Birmingham
Fanny 42 Sussex Hastings
Maude N H 13 Devonshire Plymouth

Although looks like Helen is still alive in 1901 -
RG13/194 Folio 54 Page 23
188 Liverpool Road, Islington, London
Helen Cox 49 widow Confectioner shop Sussex Hastings
Gordon son 17 Mechanical Engineer Devon Plymouth (Birth? Gordon Hart Cox March 1884 Plymouth 5b 286)

(In 1891, Gordon H Cox is a boarder, age 7, born London, living with Eli and Caroline Marchant, their children William (17) and Henry (13) and daughter Alice Edwards (17)
St Mary in the Castle, Hastings, Sussex RG12/761 Folio 138 Page 27)

[CatOne]

In 1861 I think he is lodging at 9 Ridinghouse? Street, All Souls St Marylebone, London -
William Cox 27 lodger Electroplate worker silver plate (written over several lines for him + 3 other lodgers from Birmingham)
RG9/68 Folio 30 Page 56

[Ewan]

Thank you for your replies, I do have all that information, the 'burning question' is .............. is it the same man on all those censuses as the one in 1901 on the IOM?

I have no other information regarding him only what you have found.

Ewan

[CatOne]

So you don't have his marriage certificate to Alice? or the one to Helen Fanny Smith? to compare fathers/occupations etc? Any clues on 1911 census? 

[Ewan]

I have his marriage to Helen F Smith from 1877, still trying to find his 'other' marriage if there is one to Alice.  I believe I have his death certificate with a death before 1911 .    I am not 100 per cent certain that he married this Alice, on the 1901 census she was 40 and he was 60.  If I found a marriage for him it would perhaps give me some more clues to the man.

So ........ a marriage needs to be found, on the death certificate his 'widow' Alice Cox was the informant, but I am still not convinced they were married.

Ewan

[CatOne]

Whats Alice's place of birth on 1911 census, and age? Might make it easier to search for a marriage (as there are quite a few possible marriages of William Cox's to an Alice) if she can be found in 1891 census using her "maiden" name, can't think how else to confirm its the same man, although the age and occupations are extremely similar.... 

[Ewan]

Unfortunately, on the IOM census for 1901 there is just England entered for the birthplace, could of really done with a county  .  Alice was aged 40, William aged 60, I suspect that maybe Alice was married before, whether in England or IOM, it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack though.  I know William was on the IOM in 1894 as he is in Brown's Directory for that year, and I understand they take 2 years to compile until printed, so he could of been there as early as 1892.  As mentioned you haven't been able to find him on any other censuses on the IOM, possibly no one else has either, so I am almost certain it is my William Henry Cox on the 1901 census.

Just noticed you asked about Alice's place of birth and age on the 1911 census, haven't been able to find her as yet, so maybe someone would be kind enough to help with that using the 'special' techniques.

Thank you for your input.
Ewan

[CatOne]

Just had a quick look at the 1911 census and there is only one Alice Cox listed on Isle of Man census - Alice Emily Cox age 44. I can't find her there on the 1901 census, only your Alice Cox, so could be the same one. Maybe she upped her age a bit in 1901 so there wasn't such a gap between her and William? I can't look at the actual page or transcription on the 1911 census as I haven't any credits left  Maybe someone else will have more luck finding her!

Regards
Cat