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Link: CENSUS RECORDS & CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
« on: Saturday 19 February 05 10:56 GMT (UK) »
This link explains the fate of the Irish Census up until 1901 and gives suggestions for possible substitute data sources. Although it is primarily from Northern Ireland much of the information refers to the whole of Ireland.
www.nireland.com/genealogy/census.html

This site tries to gather as much information as is possible about Irish census information
www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm

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CENSUS RECORDS & CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 March 05 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Census Online- Ireland

Census and other records (by county)- see also individual county boards for coverage of records

1901 census is 1st complete census for all Ireland- will be added to National Archives website (free)- late 2009/early 2010 according to latest report- see National Archives website- under Future Plans for more details of coverage

1911 census for all counties in Ireland now online NEW

Census strays- various people from Ireland recorded in English census records- from North of Ireland Family History Society
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Census Substitutes
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 March 06 19:39 GMT (UK) »
The following census substitutes are most commonly used in Irish genealogy.

1708
In 1708  made a survey of the town of Downpatrick, Co. Down. He described each premise by name, giving its size, its principal tenant and the half yearly rent due. A manuscript copy of this survey, made by the Rev. David Stewart in 1927, is available at PRONI Reference Number D.1759/2A/8.

1740
In 1740 a list of Protestant householders was compiled in parts of Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Down, Donegal, Londonderry and Tyrone. It is arranged by county, barony and parish and gives the names only. A typescript copy of the 1740 return of Protestant householders is available on the Search Room shelves.

1766
In March and April 1766, Church of Ireland rectors were instructed by the government to compile complete returns of all householders in their respective parishes, showing their religion, as between Church of Ireland (Episcopalian), Roman Catholic (termed ‘Papists’ in the returns) and Presbyterians (or Dissenters), and giving an account of any Roman Catholic clergy active in their area. Some of the more diligent rectors listed every townland and every household, but many drew up only numerical totals of the population. All of the original returns were destroyed in the Four Courts in 1922, but extensive transcripts survive and are available on the Search Room shelves. Copies are also available PRONI Reference Number T.808/15264-15267.

1770
In 1770 a census was carried out for the town of Armagh giving individual names and occupations, size of family and religion and is arranged street by street PRONI Reference Number T.808/14938 and T.808/14977.



1796
As part of a government initiative to encourage the linen trade, free spinning-wheels or looms were granted to individuals planting a certain area of land with flax. The lists of those entitled to the awards, covering almost 60,000 individuals, were published in 1796. A typescript copy is available on the Search Room shelves. A microfilm index to the lists is also available PRONI Reference Number T.3419.

1824-1838
The Composition Act of 1823 specified that tithes due to the Established Church, which had been payable in kind, should now be paid in money. As a result it was necessary to carry out a valuation of the entire country, parish by parish, in order to determine how much would be payable by each landowner. The Tithe Applotment Books list the occupiers of titheable land and are not a list of householders as is the case in a census. Therefore, labourers, weavers etc. were all omitted, in addition to all purely urban dwellers. The Householders Index, available on the shelves of the Public Search Room, can be used as a guide to the surnames listed in the Tithe Applotment Books PRONI Reference Number FIN 5A.

1831-
National school registers, which record the age of the pupil, religion, father’s address and occupation, are a valuable source of information for anyone interested in tracing their family tree. PRONI has in its custody over 1,500 registers for schools in the Northern Ireland area and the Guide to Educational Records, available on the Search Room shelves, includes an alphabetical index to these records.

1848-1864
Popularly known as Griffith's Valuation, the Primary Valuation of Ireland lists every householder and occupier of land in Ireland. It is arranged by county, barony, poor law union, civil parish and townland. A printed edition of the Griffith's Valuation is available on the Search Room shelves. See also Valuation Records.

1876
The Landowners in Ireland; Return of owners of land of one acre and upwards... records more than 32,000 owners of land in Ireland in 1876, identifying them by province and county. A copy of this publication is available on the shelves of the Public Search Room. 

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Surviving 1851 Irish Census online
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 January 08 17:32 GMT (UK) »
The Ottawa branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society has surviving returns of the 1851 Irish census online:

http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/irishcensus1851/index.php

Mostly from Antrim, with some data for parts of Cork.  You can search free of charge, and they also sell it on a CD.

Benton, Dunn/Dunne, Hanlon/O’Hanlon, Killeen, Lahey, McGlade, Moran, Ryan, Vallely


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Re: Surviving 1851 Irish Census online
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 January 08 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Also online other places (put '1851 census county antrim' into Google and other sites will come up):
www.census-online.com/links/Ireland/Antrim
www.searchforancestors.com/locality/ireland/census1851
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Re: Census Substitutes
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 February 08 05:52 GMT (UK) »

1796
As part of a government initiative to encourage the linen trade, free spinning-wheels or looms were granted to individuals planting a certain area of land with flax. The lists of those entitled to the awards, covering almost 60,000 individuals, were published in 1796. A typescript copy is available on the Search Room shelves. A microfilm index to the lists is also available PRONI Reference Number T.3419.

1848-1864
Popularly known as Griffith's Valuation, the Primary Valuation of Ireland lists every householder and occupier of land in Ireland. It is arranged by county, barony, poor law union, civil parish and townland. A printed edition of the Griffith's Valuation is available on the Search Room shelves. See also Valuation Records.

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First timers to Irish Genealogy are faced with messages from people who more or less know their way around the sources which are available. I've noticed that some of posters, attempting to assist first timers, mention a string of locations (and website addresses) where documents that may help with the search may be found and leave the people making the query feeling not only totally bewildered but very much on their own. Other posters mention one or two website addresses and do their best to explain how to use them. I've noticed these posters also check back from time to time to see how the first timers are progressing with their search for their Irish ancestors. 

The two Census Substitutes below are mentioned frequently. There are a two or three ways to use these ... You'll notice both have an identical table. showing the four Provinces in Ireland and the counties in each of those Provinces.

If the only information you have is that your ancestor came from Ireland these are useful items. You can enter the surname and use the Search ALL facility and be utterly bewildered by a long string of names. If you know the county where your ancestor lived you can search that specific county. You can also do a Province search which may assist in the elimination of a number of counties. 

1796 Irish Flax Growers List or Spinning Wheel Census

1848-64 Griffith's Valuations  www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,151829.new.html#new

These Census Substitutes are on John Hayes www.failteromhat.com website. 

Enter full or partial Surname: 
Townland (optional) 
Parish (optional) 
Choose county/province
Search All
CONNAUGHT- Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo
LEINSTER- Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford, Wicklow
MUNSTER- Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford
ULSTER- Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Tyrone

There's another tool that can be used in conjunction with the Valuations ... Click here for the Irish Ancestors Surname Search which is based on the Valuations. It enables you to enter one surname and find the distribution of that name throughout Ireland.  The Surname search also has a facility to enter a second surname to find out whether a couple of people came from the same parish in any county at the time of the Valuations (1848-64). The Valuation Annual Revision books are also extremely helpful. These are a continuous up-dating of the information contained in the original Griffith's Valuation of ratable property. They show changes in occupancy and ratable value. They are color coded and have the changes marked in different colored inks for different years, making them very useful for pinpointing a possible time of death or emigration, or identifying a living relative. In the North they run from the time immediately following the publication of the printed volumes to 1929. www.youririsheyes.com/land_records.html
 

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1831 Tithe (Land Tax) defaulters
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 March 08 15:54 GMT (UK) »
Stephen McCormac's article "Ireland - a listing of Land Tax or Tithe Defaulters for 1831" mentions one hundred and sixty-two boxes containing what are called Official Papers Miscellaneous Assorted (OPMA for short) files in the National Archives. These OPMA boxes have some items of great genealogical interest. The Tithe Defaulter Schedules fall into this category. http://home.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/datree1.htm

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1831 Land Tax (Tithe Defaulters)
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 May 08 04:47 BST (UK) »
The National Archives, Bishop Street, Dublin hold one hundred and sixty-two boxes containing what are called Official Papers Miscellaneous Assorted (OPMA) files. The Land Tax records fall into this category. http://home.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/datree1.htm

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Re: CENSUS RECORDS & CENSUS SUBSTITUTES
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 August 09 10:00 BST (UK) »
Popluation density figures for all Irish counties (including Northern Ireland) for 1841, 1901 and 2002.
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