Frederick PRINZ (1840-?)

[Jamesk10]

I have traced my family back to Frederick Prinz, born abt 1840 (assumed in Germany) and who is simply listed on Ancestry.co.uk records as 'Grumbach Nat British Subject, Prussia'.

I cannot find any information on him regarding BMD records, or any further family history further back.

[les_looking]

there is a death for a Frederick Prinz, born abt 1838 death registered 1915 Poplar aged 77
not sure if yours?

again not sure if yours but matches above and the census you mentioned he is a baker
living at 26r, Juniper Street, Shadwell
i got that census from FindMyPast, and wondered why it wasn't on ancestery, then saw it is spelt on there as
Frederick Pring

1901 census
PRINZ, Frederick Head Married M 62  1839 Baker
 Prussia (German Subject)
PRINZ, Harriet Wife Married F 60  1841
 Newington
PRINZ, Florence Daughter Single F 24  1877 Drapers Assistant
 Bermondsey

PRINZ, Beatrice C B Daughter Single F 19  1882 Bakers Assistant
 Bermondsey
PRINZ, Alfred C Son Single M 28  1873 Bus Cunductor
 Bermondsey

[Tati]

Hi both,

I suppose this is the marriage - it would tell you his father's name:

Frederick Pring - Harriet Sarah Bradford
Mar 1863 Newington 1d 215

Not helping much with your research but I found this snippet in the London Gazette
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/23393/pages/3628

 

[les_looking]

also from 1891 cenus on FindMyPast

PRINZ, Fredk Head Married M 52  1839 Master Baker
Germany
PRINZ, Harriet S Wife Married F 49  1842
 Newington
PRINZ, H Sarah Daughter Single F 28  1863 Bookfolder
 Newington
PRINZ, Amy Daughter Single F ?   Waistcoat Maker
 St Georges
PRINZ, Alfred C Son Single M 18  1873 Hatters Assistant
 Shoreditch
PRINZ, Eva Rosina Daughter Single F 16  1875
 St Lukes  
PRINZ, Florence A Daughter  F 14  1877
 Wandsworth
PRINZ, Beatrice B C Daughter  F 9  1882
 Newington
PRINZ, George F Nephew Married M 29  1862 Foreman
 Germany

again on ancestery its Fredk Pring

[Jamesk10]

Thank you for your replies, that ties in with some information I now have found noted down that I should have posted originally but didn't have to hand at the time:

Frederick Prinz - b: abt 1840, Prussia
                        - d: London, 1915  

Married to Harriet Sarah Bradford (1841-1916), born/died in London.

Believed children (all born in London):

Frederick William (1864-?)
Alice Amelia E (1866-?)
Sarah Harriet (1870-?)
Alfred Charles (1872-1944)
Hester R (1875-?)
Florence Ada (1877-?)
Harriet Sarah (1878)
Esther Roseina (1880-?)
Beatrice (1881-1942)
Amy (?-?)

[Jamesk10]

I am trying to trace back further beyond Frederick Prinz (abt 1840-1915) which is where I am now stuck.

Apologies for the double post by the way.

[les_looking]

do you mean you had all the above?
its just you said "I cannot find any information on him regarding BMD records"
hence we have looked for death and marriage, as will be no record for birth

[Gaie]

Hi

I don't know how close you are to an LDS centre, but there are films of church records for Grumbach, Germany available to view:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06x0/

Kind regards
Gaie

[Jamesk10]

Apologies for not fully clarifying on the first post. I did have some of the information on his family, all of which I have now posted, but did not do this originally.

I am stuck with looking to trace back the family further rather than his siblings, so I would need a birth record for him and any other records (Immigration etc).

I also do not understand fully the classification of 'Grumbach Nat British Subject, Prussia' if anyone has any information on this.

I have printed off a copy of the relevant family hsitory library catalogue items required and found a list of LDS centres nearby and will look to see where is easiest to get to and try to arrange a visit there soon.