John Turner's Parents?

[libby9]

I have a marriage certificate for a John Turner(occ. Stoker) and Mary Bamforth both aged 21 as I know Mary was infact 24, both ages could be wrong . The marriage took place 31 Jul 1851 in Huddersfield, the witnesses were Luke Turner Brook and J. Battye.  John’s father is named as James Turner deceased, and no occupation given.

I have all the info I require on Mary, but I’m stuck with John.  I have John and Mary on census returns
1861 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3261; Folio: 101; Page: 25;
1871 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4365; Folio: 27; Page: 48;
1881 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4381; Folio: 105; Page: 17;
1891 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3566; Folio 87; Page 14;

Living next door to John and Mary in 1861 are: Martha Turner aged 53, Isabella Turner aged 15 and Thomas Turner aged 11.  It could be coincidence that two families named Turner are living next door to each other (Turner being a common name), but maybe there’s a relationship.  I’ve also found Luke Turner Brook on the 1861 census ref:
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3255; Folio: 90; Page: 27;

I cannot positively identify John on the 1841, or 51 census.  And though I feel there must be a connection between John and Luke Turner Brook, I have thus far been unable to establish what it is.

My head is spinning with all the Turner permutations and I'm hoping someone will cast fresh eyes on the search.  Any little extra snippet may help, as I feel sure there must be something I've overlooked.

Many thanks for reading this, and thanks in anticipation for anything anyone is able to input.

Added info
In 1851 there's this family who I initially thought was my John (he's a stoker - same as John's occ. on marriage) Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2295; Folio: 684; Page: 49;
However, that family in 1841 have an Ann Chadwick aged 25 living in the household: Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1277; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Kirk Burton; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 38; Page: 27;

I have found births for a Sarah Chadwick and Ann Chadwick (sisters) also a marriage between Sarah Chadwick and RICHARD Turner in 1827 at Silkstone.  Could Richard be my James, or am I clutching at straws?

[Tati]

Hi Libby 

Considering that John is pretty consistently called John R(ichard), born 1830 Kirkburton, your initital 1851 census find seems spot on to me. He seems to be the only John Richard Turner born ca. 1830 Kirkburton through the censuses, doesn't he?

(The IGI christening confirms his father's name as Richard)

I have in my own tree the occurrence where a father's name is wrong on a cert - in my opininion it's the most likely explanation here. 

 

[libby9]

Hi Libby 

Considering that John is pretty consistently called John R(ichard), born 1830 Kirkburton, your initital 1851 census find seems spot on to me. He seems to be the only John Richard Turner born ca. 1830 Kirkburton through the censuses, doesn't he?

(The IGI christening confirms his father's name as Richard)

I have in my own tree the occurrence where a father's name is wrong on a cert - in my opininion it's the most likely explanation here. 

 

Hi Tati,

Thanks so much for looking at the records for John.  As you have come to the same conclusion I did ie James on the marriage cert. is most likely Richard, or maybe James Richard known as Richard, I feel I'm on the right track.  It cetainly helps to know others have marriage cert's with the wrong names entered.  I now have to try and establish the probable relationship between John Richard Turner c.1829, and Luke Turner Brook.

Thanks again, Tati, much appreciated.

[trish1120]

There is a submitted entry on IGI;
Luke Turner BROOK
Christened 2 November 1823, Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Parents James BROOK and Elizabeth

Marriage;
James BROOK
Elizabeth TURNER
8 August 1822, Huddersfield, YKS
( submitted with batch no.)

Trish

[trish1120]

EDIT, OOPS just realised you had this ref.

1851 Census
HO107/2295/684/49
Kirkburton, Yorkshire

Sarah TURNER, 47,head, widow, Ragby Yks
JOHN RICD TURNER, 21, son, unm, stoker/rail, Kirkburton
Wm, 19, son, unm, finisher cloth, Kirkburton
Josephus, 8, son, unm, Kirkburton
Emma, 16, daug, unm, Kirkburton
Ellen, 13, daug, unm, Kirkburton

Your 1841 Census is correct I am pretty sure and Richard/James is just a mistake
Presume this is the marriage you found, pretty conclusive I would say with sister Anne in household in 1841

Sarah CHADWICK
Richard TURNER
05 February 1827, Silkstone, Yorkshire, EXTRACTED

There is a Richard Turner death, March 1840, Huddersfield, 22 249
Bit tight in timing to have son Joseph aged 8 in 1851 though

Trish

[libby9]

There is a Richard Turner death, March 1840, Huddersfield, 22 249
Bit tight in timing to have son Joseph aged 8 in 1851 though
Trish

Thanks for your help, Trish.  Maybe Josephus isn't Richard/James' son?  I think my next step is to order Josephus' birth certificate.