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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 September 09 15:40 BST (UK) »
Well, this is interesting and confusing.  The names are all a match but the ages seem way off.
What do the designations "head" and "sister" mean in this context?  He as "head of house" and Ada as his sister??
Is this the address of a residence?
Wow, this is really fascinating.
Thanks again.

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 06 September 09 15:59 BST (UK) »
The relationships stated are (meant) to be in relation to the head of the household - so truth or not, this census says Ada is Allan's sister. And Dorothy is Allan's daughter (and so by default, assume Ada is Dorothy's Aunt.)

The ages are fine for Ada and Dorothy in comparison to Ada & Doris.
It's only Allan whose age is way overstated. But he has the right occupation  :) The enumerator may never have clapped eyes on "Alan" and so may never had the chance to wonder if he  really was a young looking 50 yr old?

I guess they would not have known if they provided the truth in name and age for the Census, if  it be tracked by the Police - so they fibbed.

Since the 1901 Canada Census indicated they all arrived together in 1901 and they don't seem toi be in Canada for the 1901 Census  - I'm not surprised to find them (if it is them) all together in the 1901 UK Census, with enough details changed to disguise them.

The address seems to be a house in Brixton area of London - and they appear to be sharing the house, but occupying their own 2 rooms as a seperate family with a London born family named Evans who occupy the rest of the house (3 rooms). Mr Evans was a Tobacconist & Newsagent.

here are some photos of Acre Lane - one is circa 1900
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/acrelane.html

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AMBLY








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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 06 September 09 16:12 BST (UK) »
This really does seem to be them.  It "fits", with the exception of Alan's age.
I'm so thrilled with the information you have unearthed!  Thanks again.

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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 06 September 09 16:45 BST (UK) »
It's a very interesting 'case'  ;D

I wonder, if maybe a new topic on the Canada board at Rootschat, to enquire about the MUIR family arrival into Quebec 1901 might bring some more clues? One of the wonderful Canadian Rootschatters may be able to unearth more.....

You can paste a link in the new topic to this one, for reference.

I will have another didg around tomorrow, to see if there's anything else I can see for you - right now, I don;t want to, but I gotta go to bed - my eyes are on sticks  ;D 8)

One thing, I'm wondering - did Aunt Doris indicate ever, that she knew Ada was not her birth mother?

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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 06 September 09 16:54 BST (UK) »
Pleasant dreams.
Yes, Doris knew Ada wasn't her birth mother.  Ada had one daughter, Lucy, and five sons.  She doted on Lucy, and Lucy felt very badly for the way Doris was treated.  Doris left home as a very young girl and moved to the remote regions of northern Canada where she taught children in an "Indian" boarding school.
Now that I have this info you have supplied, I will try to get some more info from Canada.
Right now, you're off to bed and I'm off to church.
Thank you so much!!!

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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 September 09 21:57 BST (UK) »
I've just found a Sarah Dukesell born around 1831 in Staffordshire.  I wonder if this could be Ada's grandmother -- probably too old to be her mother???  But possible -- she would have been mid 40's when Ada was born.

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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 12 May 11 00:16 BST (UK) »
Some information on Ada Muir:

She has a large internet shadow because she published books on herbalism and astrology. Her books are still available for sale and I picked up a copy of one that was on the shelf at Chapters Bookstore. Her books now seem to be published worldwide and I found listings of them at a book selling site in India.

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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 May 11 00:23 BST (UK) »
More on Ada Muir:

She is buried at Summerland Peach Orchard Cemetery

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~okcemeteries/page24.html


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Re: Lady Sarah Dukesell
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 12 May 11 00:36 BST (UK) »
Information on Lucy Elizabeth Muir (my mother) daughter of Ada Muir:

According to my mother Ada doted on her sons and was disappointed by her daughters.

I was lead to believe that Doris was the daughter of Alan Muir but not Ada. My mother did not consider her "family". From the scraps I heard; Alan was married and had a daughter by his first wife, Alan and Ada fell in love and escaped to Canada with Doris. I suspect there was no divorce. Family histories are soooo juicy.