Re: Industrial School FELTHAM middlesex

[Patsyk222]

Hi Dave, I have just seen your message up here - I think I have found out that Philip died in Bristol in 1942 ? It was said that at the time he was living with a May, Maise or Maisie Gibson and a Roy ? Do you know anything about these people as I am looking for an Alice May Gibson/Ball & Her Son Roy ? We think she was born about 1894 possibly in London and Roy was born in 1922 in Edmonton Middlesex ?  Alice May Gibson's Father could have been John William Gibson who was A Fishmonger in 1916 ?

I also read that Philip may have been in Clutton Somerset and also in Monmouthshire before he went to Bristol ?

Many Thanks - Regards Pat.

[jc26red]

Philip Gibson married Emily Porter, 25 Oct 1893 at St James Bristol
father Philip Gibson
father William Porter

Dec 1893 Bristol vol 6a page 27 (if you want to send off for the cert)

by 1901 they are living in Clutton Somerset with daughter Emily age 6, Philip is an art decorator

1911 Emily is on her own in Bristol with daughter Emily, though she says married not widowed
Philip meanwhile appears to be in Cardiff with "wife" Ann and 2 children... Ann and eldest child, age 7, were both born in Bristol. He is a house decorator

I somehow can't envisage an art decorator enlisting to the army at the age of 30 +

Philip dies 1942 Bristol age 72

[jc26red]

Pat, I think Dave can fill you in with some details...
I can't post details on the board of someone born in 1924 (under the mothers maidename not Gibson) as they may still be living.

The mother,Violet M Bratchell, initially married in 1919 to a Gilbert Latham but by 1924 she is  in Newport area having a son registering him under her maiden name.

She dies in 1967 Bristol under the name Gibson, as far as I can tell they never married (not in England and Wales anyway)

So far Philip appears to have had 4 children with 3 women
Emily born 1895
Millie/Nillie? born 1904
Philip born 1907
and youngest son 1924

[cathayb]

i have found my gt.gt uncle james thorp born 1872 in bethnall green at feltham indu scholl.he was sent along with 36 other boys to winniepeg on the sarmathian ship care of  Reverend McMither .i find him again in the 1901 cencus in america.however i have no idea why he would have been sent to that school or why his perants who were both alive should let him be sent away aged 15 in 1888?anyone have anything at all on him as to why he was sent there(the school) and later why he would be sent to canada and where did he first go when he arrived there?[
 
 

[dawnsh]

He was most probably admitted to Feltham as a result of petty crime or a minor misdemeanor.

The records do survive and are deposited at the London Metropolitan Archives.

You can search the catalogue from here

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/history-and-heritage/london-metropolitan-archives/about-lma/enquiry-service

The reference for this institution is MA/GS-1

The records are not digitised and need to be viewed in person.

There's also information about the actual establishment here

http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/FelthamBI/

[cathayb]

yes i saw this.however i am disabled and live far from london.i didnt knowmif anyone was near they could find out for me.i really need to know who the perants of this james thorpe were to be sure it was him on the ship to winnieprg.never mind.perhaps one day they will put them on the web.thanks anyway for the info you have been able to give me.cathayb

[dawnsh]

Hi cathayb

Researchers in and around London who do look-ups are few and far between.

You might have a bit of a wait.

Dawn

[pen y bryniau]

Hello,
Seeking more information on Young Offenders from Feltham and how they reached the Welsh farms from 1891 to 1911.  Was it the Church that took charge or possibly Barnardo's.  There were quite a few employed/working on the farms.

The links included don't seem to work for me.

Grateful for any assistance.  Thank you

[dawnsh]

I've updated the broken links.

Maybe contact the London Metropolitan Archives to see if they can offer further insights if the new links don't help.