Spence Simonton/Symington

[Roxanna]

Hi,

I am trying to locate any information on the parentage of Spence Simonton. 

This is the info on their wedding. 

Spence Simonton of Derrylard and Elizabeth Lappan of Derrykeevan, married June 1, 1843 at the Tartaraghan Church of Ireland.  Witnesses were Jane Lappan and Thomas Bronke.

He did have many children, while living in Derrylard.  I am trying to find out who his father was....

He died in 1891.  Would anyone know how to locate a death record?  I have searched Emerald Ancestors, but no information on him shows up. 

Thanks,
Roxanna

[GAJM]

I found a

Spence Simmington
birth:1823
Died: Jul-Sep 1891 Lurgan Registration District
Volume 1 Page 445

Source: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

Can order certificate from www.groireland.ie or from the Northern Ireland GRO.

There is a Thomas Simington in Derrylard in Grififths Valuation taken taken in 1864 for Armagh. Griffiths is not a census but a survey of heads of house that held/rented land/property.

Here are the Simmington's for the parish

Surname First Name Townland Parish County

Simington Anne Ballynarry Tartaraghan Armagh
Simington James Clonmakate Tartaraghan Armagh
Simmington James Derryane Tartaraghan Armagh
Simington Thomas Derrylard Tartaraghan Armagh

Can view further on this link it you hit original page icon

Griffiths Derrylard

May be possible Thomas is Spence father. Or his Uncle/Brother would not assume without more research.

Ger

[Roxanna]

Thank you.

I have never tracked down death records for this time period, so here's hoping that they include some details, including parentage.

Best,
Roxanna

[GAJM]

They wont have parentage.

They will have name of deceased, occupation of deceased, address of deceased, if married/widowed, cause of death, duration of illness and a witness to death, address of witness. Relationship to witness is sometimes given.

Ger

[Roxanna]

Any suggestions on tracking down parentage, if not from a death record?

It seems that marriage records usually included the father.  That's the only source I can think of.  I have checked PRONI for Will's and nothing is listed for a Spence Simonton/Symington, and I checked every name spelling variation I could think of. 

Would there be anyone who has access to the marriage record, to see if the father is listed?

[GAJM]

Most likely that far back the parish records for marriage's wont have parents.

Where did you source the marriage information that you already have.

Ger

[Roxanna]

Found it in the Tartaraghan CHurch records, however don't know if the father was listed. 

[GAJM]

My main area of research is in the Republic and from what i have seen most parishes only started listing parents names on the marriage from 1870's and mostly 1890's onwards.


Might be different in Armagh. If the father's name was listed if would have being included in any transcription of the record most likely which you have already have?

There is a Roxanna Pentland on this site

http://www.a-free-guestbook.com/gb/royclarke/5

That Thomas who died in 1894 was born 1815 so could be a brother.

Thomas Simmington
Lurgan Registration District
Apr-Jun 1894
Birth: 1815
Volume 1 Page 565

Ger

[Roxanna]

Yes that is me.

Armagh records do seem a bit different, as most have had the father listed on the marriages.  However, I don't have the original record to reference.

You are right, that based on the ages, Spence and Thomas could be brothers.  Spence was born in 1823 and Thomas was probably born about the same time.

Can I ask where you got the 1815 birth year of THomas.  It doesn't list his birth on his tombstone, and the Wills record at PRONI just lists his date of death, as far as I could tell.

Thanks,
Roxanna