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Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« on: Wednesday 30 September 09 13:19 BST (UK) »
Hello All

I don't understand the occupation in the 1911 Census.

The woman is a widow who married in 1902 then had children, but he husband died in 1906 so it all falls between the cenuses.

43 Pynest St, Hanley, Stoke Upon Trent

She is Winifred Austen Dono stepdaughter widow 33
George Edward Dono 7

 "Visitor Boarding out Whether Union Order 1910" - have no idea what this means.  I can't find a Union Workhouse of that name in Stoke Upon Trent.

She had other children, but I can't find them anywhere,

Any Clues?

Thanks very much
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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 13:52 BST (UK) »
Hello All

I don't understand the occupation in the 1911 Census.

 "Visitor Boarding out Whether Union Order 1910" - have no idea what this means.  I can't find a Union Workhouse of that name in Stoke Upon Trent.


Is this from the Transcript or the Original Page?

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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 13:55 BST (UK) »
can you post just that section of the image ?
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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 14:13 BST (UK) »
can you post just that section of the image ?

Is this not contrary to the terms and conditions?
10.4 You agree not to use or allow the Services to be used for or by any third party to access, or view any Records or download any material or content of any Records, whether on a paid or gratis basis.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/Content/default.aspx?r=79&26

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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 14:18 BST (UK) »
Technically yes - but then if Mothball's friend came round and saw the page open while he was online.... that's contravention too  ;)
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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 14:23 BST (UK) »
Stan, I had thought so too until a couple of weeks ago when ArranRoots assured me that a partial image was OK.

Dunno, would just like to see this manufactured 1911 set of issues put to bed and treated like the other census.

FindMyPast / Brightsolid have NO exclusivity deal according to the FOI, but their T's & C's are rigorous, be interesting to see them challenged - esp about seeking 3rd party help .

Expect this will get deleted anyway   :P
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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 14:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Mothball..


Could it possibly say "within" rather than "whether"?    There is a reference here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0771/  to a question asked in parliament in 1910


".....asked the President of the Local Government Board whether, in the case of the deaths of children boarded out under the provisions of the Within Union Orders of May, 1899, and 31st December, 1909, and the Beyond Union Order of 1905, the funeral expenses of such children fall on the foster-parents or should be discharged by the guardians?"


I have tried to find more references to "Within Union Orders" but nothing so far.


Also - have you seen the workhouse.org website.  There is a little about "boarding out" here 
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0772/ .  This refers to children of the workhouse being "boarded out" in a kind of paid fostering arrangement. 

In 1911 they are living with Winifred's mother, step-father and step-brother so it seems a little strange for them to be being paid for by the Local Authority/Poor Law Union.  Perhaps her circumstances were really bad, or she was ill in some way?   

Was the Boarding out references written for both her and her son? or just one of them?   I presume there is no working occupation for Winifred as well?


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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 15:16 BST (UK) »
There is a little here on the boarding out system too

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Boarding-out_system

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Re: Help interpreting 1911 census Stoke upon Trent
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 15:21 BST (UK) »
And some more info in boarding out system in google books


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0773/

and


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0774/

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McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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