1880 Census and UK to USA Ship Log Look-Up, please: BUMBY

[vcmt2008]

merjones:  Thanks for the newspaper articles!  Yes, these are all relatives to John Henry, and the Caroline Bumby you found is the daughter I'd like to find information about on UK to USA transportation logs.  She was born in the UK and died in the US (1887), but how did she get here?

Su:   These are his parents and siblings aboard the Algeria, and it certainly does appear that John Henry Bumby could be aboard the Egypt in September 1873.  He was born in 1844, so the age fits.

But I'm even more confused if it is him, because I have letters dated 8 July 1874, 6 July 1875, and 29 July 1879 showing him living in England.  His "trail" doesn't begin in Montana until around 1881 in family letters, and not until 1883 on the Madison County Taxpaper's List.

Any clue when and what ship his wife and daughter were aboard from the Uk to the USA?

Lisa in California:   Perhaps the following will give you another way to search:  He was born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England in 1844.  His father, William Bumby, was born in Bradford, Yorkshire and his mother, Sarah Sutcliffe Bumby, was born in Tyersall., Yorkshire.  His father was listed as a "coal merchant" in 1861 and 1871.  In 1861, John Henry was listed as an "office clerk."   

THANKS!

[Su]

He could have gone out there the same month as his parents to find somewhere to live or see if he could get a job, then went back again so he was home in 1874.  I have traced some rellies for a friend who were back and forth from Tennesse to UK like yoyo's 
Perhaps Martha and Caroline didn't go out there until later.
As William and Sarah didn't sail until 1873 they should be on the 1871 UK census, unless they also went back and forth.

[Su]

Found them...

Ship Arizona
dept Liverpool/Queenstown Ireland
Arrive New York Sept 19th 1881
Mrs. Martha Bumby 40 wife England
Miss Carrie Bumby  13 spinster England

They were mistranscribed as Burnley

Kind regards
Su

[Su]

Ship Arizona
Dept Liverpool/Queenstown Ireland
Arrive New York November 8th 1880
John H. Bumby 36 Labourer
Mistranscribed as Brumby

So now you know how they got there 

[Su]

Just had a thought..
The reason why you cannot find John on the 1880 US census is probably because it would have been taken in September if I am correct. 

[Su]

1871
Heaton Norris (Stockport/Manchester)
RG10/3658 folio 6 pg 6

Wellington Road, Greenbank Terrace
John Henry Bumby Head mar 26 occ.something stuff warehouse cashier something..born Yorkshire Leeds
Martha Bumby wife 29 born Huddersfield Yorkshire
Caroline Bumby dau 2 born Lancashire Pendleton
Maria Shuker 27 domestic servant born Shropshire

Again mistranscribed as Burnley

1881
Leeds Yorkshire
RG11/4534 folio 7 pg 9
4 Consort Terrace Leeds
Martha Bumby head 39 married born Milnsbridge Yorkshire
Carrie Bumby dau 12 born Manchester
Julius Benedict Boarder 22
Isaia Levi Boarder 17

Kind regards
Su

[Lisa in California]

Perhaps John went back and forth, or could John travelling in 1880 be another John?

The November 1880 image does show Brumby.  He apparently was American.

Looking at census returns, there were:
John H Brumby, born c1844, Vermont.  In 1920, living with wife, Mary A., in New York.
John H Brumby, born c1846, England.  In 1930, 1920, 1900 (and perhaps more) John was living with wife Electa, in Ohio.

There is a passenger list in 1886 for a John Brumby, American, born in Liverpool, England.  (Port of departure was Liverpool, arriving port was New York.)  It looks like the intended destination was New York; print too small to read.

[Lisa in California]

Without using surnames, I tried searching for John or Martha (born within 2 years of their respective dates of birth) returning to the UK within 5 years of 1896.  I don't see anything close to their surnames.  (Now thinking about it, I didn't try looking for names like Burnley, like Su found.)  Perhaps their record could still be there. 

[Lisa in California]

This doesn't help with your current search, but in case you have not seen it, this refers to a mine, "Molly McGregor", and it mentions W.A. Bumby.
http://www.deq.state.mt.us/abandonedmines/linkdocs/techdocs/72tech.asp