Herbert A CREIGHTON

['Trish']

I am trying to find a link between:
Thomas Austin married Rose Warren Sept quarter Bedwelty, Thomas born 1870 died 1938, worked as a engine driver and that's how he met Rose.  Rose born Swindon or Salisbury, her father worked on the Railways and I am told he was the station master at Swindon or Salisbury.  Rose is buried either here in Bournemouth, Salisbury or Swindon.  Rose had businesses in Bournemouth, a dairy & a shop.
Herbert Alfred Creighton married Grace H Owen Dec q 1928 Poole, Herbert was born June q 1908 Westbury, I am looking for parents for both of these. 

Here's what I am hoping that there is a connection between Creighton and Warren, as Rose Warren adopted her nephew and niece.

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Annie dau f age 7 scholar born Swindon

I dont know if these are connected but would love to know Rose Warren's birth and name of parents, also Grace H Owen birth & parents and Herbert Creighton's birth and parents.

Would appreciate any HELP!!!

Thanks regards Trish

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[heywood]

Hi Trish,

it all seems a bit complicated 

The marriage was 1896 (you forgot the date)

1901  RG13; Piece: 4934; Folio: 172; Page: 22
(transcribed as Auston)

30 Abertillery Road Aberystruth
Thomas Austin 30 yrs Coal Miner Hewer b Mon Blaina
Rose 27yrs b Wiltshire Swindon

I can see a Rose but not establishing a connection yet and of course, Thomas is not an engine driver here.    He is a coal miner in 1891 too.

heywood

[heywood]

1881 RG11; Piece: 2015; Folio: 118; Page: 36

Rose Warren 8 yrs b Stratton St Margaret
with brother Thomas 12 yrs and mother Emma Hazell 40 yrs widow a laundress.

Free BMD marriage 1876 Emma Warren and William Hazell possible spouses - Highworth Wiltshire (fits with 1881 census)

[heywood]

It's looking a bit pearshaped here

1871 RG10; Piece: 1879; Folio: 77; Page: 4

District Highworth and Levindon Union Workhouse

these are together on the list but not sure re Richard

Richard Warren 71 yrs married b High ...
Emma Warren 37 yrs widow b Marston
Alice 4 yrs
Ann 6 yrs
Tom 6 months b Blunsdon

Tom's age does not quite fit with Thomas but place of birth fits.

[heywood]

I knew it would be complicated 

1871 RG10; Piece: 1878; Folio: 19; Page: 13
has a William Warren b Bourton Berkshire with wife and family living South Marston. These places fit with the censuses for Emma Warren /Hazell.

Strangely ...  this couple have a son Edwin b 1863 South Marston and there is also an Edwin Warren b 1857 Wanborough with parents William and Martha who I think is the one you mention.

So I wasn't sure initially what you were asking for but I don't think what I am finding is what you wanted.  (I think)

[heywood]

As for Herbert and Grace, you could look in 1911 census to confirm their parents.
Going from the index suggestions - Herbert's parents may be Frederick and Elizabeth.

What have these people got to do with Rose Warren? I get lost there.

['Trish']

There is a family legend that says that Thomas & Rose Austin nee Warren adopted a nephew and niece of Rose'.  The nephew or niece went on to have a granddaughter/daughter called Connie Creighton, born Sept q 1934 Poole.  I found that Connie had a brother Herbert born Mar q 1933 Poole. 
Rose Warren owned businesses in Bournemouth and employed two of my uncles at the Dairy in Bournemouth, she also ran a Antique shop in Bournemouth.
I have that Connie Creighton's father was Herbert Alfred Creighton born June q 1908, Westbury, Herbert married Grace Owen Dec q 1928 Poole, Dorset.

I hope that helps regards Trish

[heywood]

so are you thinking that either Herbert or Grace is the nephew or niece?

As I said, you can check Herbert in 1911.

I can only see one birth which fits with Grace H Owen - Grace Hilda Owen 1905 Brentford but there are lots and the 'H' may not be entered in birth register.

Might the relatives  be on the Austin side?

1911 - Rose and Thomas are still in Bedwellty but you would have to get a copy to see if there is anyone else living with them.

[heywood]

I have tried to match up Grace Hilda Owen from 1911 census - the one I thought  was her (only one anyway) has parents who are from Lancashire and Yorkshire according to 1901 census so at the moment nothing is matching.

The marriage certificate of Herbert and Grace would also confirm fathers as you know and other than that I can't think of anything.