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marrying the same person twice
« on: Wednesday 14 October 09 18:46 BST (UK) »
One of my Broadhurst ladies appears to have married the same man twice - once in 1918 in Holborn and again in 1922 in St Martins, both London.

The names are uncommon enough for me to believe she married the same man both times.

Can anyone suggest why.

thanks

Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 19:36 BST (UK) »
I should get both marriage certs to check it out first
Dring, Keightley, Lincs,  Davies, Stuckey, S Wales

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 19:39 BST (UK) »
I found this as part of my one name study of Broadhurst and I can't afford to get all the certificates involved unfortunately.

If only
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Broadhouse, Broadist and variants - world wide - one name study
Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:14 BST (UK) »
It's possible that there was some reason to doubt the validity of the first marriage.  For instance if one, or both of them was/were under age and married without consent.  I believe that such a marriage is still valid once it has taken place, but once their parents knew, they might have made them wait and marry again when they came of age.

The  details of the marriage in 1918 are:

St Silas, Penton Street, Clerkenwell

September 18 1918, by banns

Jack Tar Fishwick  23  Bachelor  Woolclasser  of 6 Albert Street
Pauline Marian Broadhurst 23 Spinster           of 6 Albert Street

Groom's father: Robert Fishwick (deceased)  Accountant
Bride's father: Samuel Broadhurst (deceased) Gentleman

Witnesses: Arthur William  M[----] (sorry can't read it, but I think it ends in 'y'
                   Annie Mary Grant

I'm afraid that I don't have access to details of the second marriage.  It is interesting that they both say their fathers are deceased, and neither witness is obviously a family member.

BTW - I can't see a Pauline Marian Broadhurst, or a Jack Tar Fishwick on the birth index.

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:35 BST (UK) »


BTW - I can't see a Pauline Marian Broadhurst, or a Jack Tar Fishwick on the birth index.


Jack, at least, seems to have been Australian:

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=98178
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:43 BST (UK) »
Hello all, in my family, this has happened recently.  :o  My husband's Brother married a woman in a civil (courthouse marriage) and then several years later, they decided to get married in the RC church.  Might this be the case?  Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:46 BST (UK) »
Perhaps they were already married the first time and married again after the death of the first partner in order to validate the second marriage.
My great grandmother got a month hard labour for bigamy but then married the same man after her first husband had died.

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks avm228. If Jack was a soldier I think he may have needed his commanding officer's permission to marry - I wonder if he omitted to get this, and thus had to remarry later.

Thanks Gallium for looking up the first marriage details.

Carolyn
Broadhouse, Broadist and variants - world wide - one name study
Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney

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Re: marrying the same person twice
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 23:59 BST (UK) »
This story gets more complex. I looked up Jack's service record on the Australian archives. He was awol from the army when he married Pauline.

In 1919 he writes a letter stating that he married Marion Sexton on 18 Sep 1918 and that "serious legal disablilities have arisen regarding the marriage" and a trial is to take place at the Old Bailey on 9 Sep 1919 and that after it is over he intends to marry Marion Sexton again.

How did Marion Sexton become Pauline Marion Broadhurst - the plot thickens.

Carolyn
Broadhouse, Broadist and variants - world wide - one name study
Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney